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To: freedumb2003
To reject TToE because one does not like its conclusions is the same as rejecting physics because a close relative fell off a building.

Actually, I was raised on a secular, public education. Did well in school and went to a state university for a B.S. degree. Took a biomedical engineering program which included organic chemistry, mammalian physiology and biology. I was so excited to learn how life began and evolved on the earth. I didn't even know that there was a debate, only that there were questions. I remember how disappointed I was to learn that we were no closer to determining how life began on this planet than we were 50 years earlier when Stanley Miller conducted his famous experiment. I understood why speculation was presented as fact. It was because it was the best explanaition that science had. However, even I could see that science fell woefully short of being able to demonstrate either the origin of life or the evolution of species. I accepted it as fact since there were no other alternatives, but was certainly not impressed with the progress that had been made.

I would go so far as to say that those who accept TTOE as fact are the ones who don't understand it, because those who do understand it see it's flaws.
93 posted on 01/13/2009 3:50:14 PM PST by Sopater (I'm so sick of atheists shoving their religion in my face.)
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To: Sopater
However, even I could see that science fell woefully short of being able to demonstrate either the origin of life or the evolution of species. I accepted it as fact since there were no other alternatives, but was certainly not impressed with the progress that had been made.

Then you know that Abiogenesis and TToE are independent of one another. And that the former is a lot more elusive, since we don't have the billions of artifacts as we do with the latter.

I would go so far as to say that those who accept TTOE as fact are the ones who don't understand it, because those who do understand it see it's flaws.

If you know of any flaws, please feel free to post them. As a GENERAL SCIENTIFIC THEORY, TToE holds together better than almost any other scientific theory. There certainly has been no scientific theory alternative even proposed -- no Einsteinian to the Newtonian.

Millions of scientists across the world understand and use TToE constantly. Many attempt to widen its picture by puncturing details, but none have ever been able to come up with a scientific alternative.

95 posted on 01/13/2009 4:07:29 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Der neuen Fuhrer: AKA the Murdering Messiah: Keep your powder dry, folks)
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