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Tools for Migrating from Windows to Linux
Datamation ^ | 6 January 2009 | Matt Hartley

Posted on 01/07/2009 6:01:51 AM PST by ShadowAce

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1 posted on 01/07/2009 6:01:52 AM PST by ShadowAce
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2 posted on 01/07/2009 6:02:11 AM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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I started in DOS at age 11, and now nearly 20 years later with a professional career in software development I can honestly say that I am completely unimpressed with the mass of Linux derivatives and their clunky and/or non-existent UI and completely ambiguous error messages.

If Linux developers want people to use their creations they need to understand how a typical computer user operates. If they don’t want Linux to operate like Windows that’s fine, but they do need to make it a non-hemorrhoid-inducing activity to get something as simple as a notepad installed; much less, something as complex as WINE.


3 posted on 01/07/2009 6:09:09 AM PST by TheZMan (Troll since 2004, apparently.)
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Mark


4 posted on 01/07/2009 6:23:29 AM PST by bcsco (Illinois politicians should be read their Miranda rights when sworn in to office...)
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To: ShadowAce

bttt


5 posted on 01/07/2009 6:24:41 AM PST by csvset
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To: TheZMan
...I am completely unimpressed with the mass of Linux derivatives and their clunky and/or non-existent UI and completely ambiguous error messages.

Linux apps don't exactly hold a monopoly on ambiguous error messages. Enjoy this screen capture of an error I received from ClearCase:


6 posted on 01/07/2009 6:25:53 AM PST by whd23
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To: ShadowAce

A better alternative than Linux is OpenSolaris. Its real UNIX based on Sun’s Solaris 10 operating system. OpenSolaris is open source. There is lots of free software and it has the GNOME desktop from Linux.

http://www.opensolaris.com


7 posted on 01/07/2009 6:28:55 AM PST by Astronaut
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I am in complete agreement with you on this. As such, I will warn you that you will be flamed for your heretical statements.


8 posted on 01/07/2009 6:29:39 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Ronald Reagan had a vision of America. Barack Obama has a vision of Barack Obama.)
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To: TheZMan
...I am completely unimpressed with the mass of Linux derivatives and their clunky and/or non-existent UI...

??? When did you last check out GNOME or KDE?

...they do need to make it a non-hemorrhoid-inducing activity to get something as simple as a notepad installed; much less, something as complex as WINE.

uh, stuff like notepad comes pre-installed, just like windows. As far as installing complex applications, a simple command like "yum install " or "apt-get install " searches the web for the the program, downloads it and all needs prerequisites, and performs all the necessary installation without any further input from the user.

It must've been quite some time ago that you last looked at Linux.

9 posted on 01/07/2009 6:30:51 AM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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Funny thing is the biggest MS haters are the ones who don’t know how to use a computer correctly.


10 posted on 01/07/2009 6:33:45 AM PST by gilor (Pull the wool over your own eyes!)
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To: whd23; All

Does Linux have a device driver for my(or any) wireless eithernet usb device? I have a link sys.


11 posted on 01/07/2009 6:38:54 AM PST by central_va (Co. C, 15th Va., Patrick Henry Rifles-The boys of Hanover Co.)
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To: TheZMan

I see the solution to a lot of the Linux problem in doing two things. First of all, put the OS on a chip, including WINE.

Then create an applications organizational structure based on desired applications and computer resources, that orders, downloads, and installs applications for maximum efficiency. This would be done online for the user.

The end result would be something like an ancient batch file, but a drive image as well. Modified with each software addition or deletion to have the best possible system.


12 posted on 01/07/2009 6:40:19 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: ShadowAce
When did you last check out GNOME or KDE?
I agree. I installed Ubuntu (w/ KDE) a couple of years ago on an older PC and was pleasantly surprised.
13 posted on 01/07/2009 6:40:21 AM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: gilor
Funny thing is the biggest MS haters are the ones who don’t know how to use a computer correctly.

Please define "correctly" here.

14 posted on 01/07/2009 6:42:05 AM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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Yes, I agree.

I believe that the Linux community must come to terms with the fact that their products must address the issues you point out.

Sadly, the approach of stating, or at least implying strongly, that the average “windoze” users aren't as smart as Linux users remains prevalent.

I hope that the Linux community can find their way past this problem eventually. Watching the evolution of Linux over the years, I think that some of the developers are beginning to “get it”, but it will still take a while.

I enjoy driving a stick-shift vehicle. It's fun to manually control the acceleration, deceleration, torque curve, etc., but my wife (who has, and can drive one) is only interested in owning an automatic. Why? Because she sees the vehicle as simply a means to an end (i.e., getting from here to there without giving any thought to the vehicle).

I could spend a lot of time repeating how much more control over the vehicle she could have, how much more enjoyable it would be, etc. But that would only be received by her as smug and irritating, and it certainly wouldn't change her mind.

I think that Linux devotees continuing to “talk down” to users of windows (or other GUI-faced programs), will only come across as smug and condescending.

I don't think “command line” inputs are ever going to overcome GUI clicking for the average PC user.

15 posted on 01/07/2009 6:42:13 AM PST by Col Freeper (FR is a smorgasbord of Conservative thoughts and ideas - dig in and enjoy it to its fullest!)
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I agree with your assessment.

It seems that Linux is more for hobbyists than for practical computing.

There are too many flavors and no real direction.

I have played around with a few of the LiveCD versions. Most of them have failed to recognize all of my PC peripherals.

I have considered buying a cheap PC just to play around with Linux, but so far, I don't see much advantage to that.

[I started with DOS/MSDOS in the early 80s. I went kicking-and-screaming into Windows in the early 90s because that was the direction business environments were going.]

16 posted on 01/07/2009 6:44:26 AM PST by TomGuy
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Take a look at Ubuntu 8.04LTS. I’m trying it out as a Windows replacement and its pretty slick. It runs perfectly on my Dell laptop and I have yet to need the command line.

Linux junkies berate Ubuntu as a “beginners” or dumbed-down distro, but that’s because one can do most everything using the GUI instead of command-line. I consider that a plus.


17 posted on 01/07/2009 6:45:51 AM PST by jrp
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To: Col Freeper
You make some very valid points. I agree with them as far as they apply to the people you are talking about.

People should stick with the system they like and that works for them.

This article was not meant as a way of saying everyone should switch to Linux. It was meant as a caveat to those who are considering the switch that there is more to it than merely popping in a disk and then doing the same things they've always done.

18 posted on 01/07/2009 6:47:12 AM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: ShadowAce
"Please define "correctly" here.

That would be without screwing it up, getting it infected or installing 400 browser toolbars and then wondering "Why is the interweb so slow?".

19 posted on 01/07/2009 6:49:45 AM PST by gilor (Pull the wool over your own eyes!)
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To: whd23

That’s a Rational product for ya. Been a Rational Test Manager/Robot user for > 10 years. They fix nothing, and add features that the REAL users of their products would never use.


20 posted on 01/07/2009 6:49:49 AM PST by Pushead (The highways of history are strewn with the wreckage of the nations that forgot God.)
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