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To: avacado
Excellent list. My two cents:

This is just a variant on the "Were the Nazis on the Left or the Right?" The question here is "Which party has a stronger history of racism: Democrats or Republicans?"

Opinions are divided, and people see what they want to see so these discussions usually just result in spinning of wheels.

My own opinion is that the National Socialists had an exclusively Collectivist viewpoint (group identity politics) and cared nothing for Individual rights, so I have to place them on the Left.

Similarly, the Democrats were pushing to keep blacks in their place (through gun control, among other things) from the time before the Civil War, up through their identity as Copperheads (sabotaging the war effort -- gee that sounds familiar) during the war and creating Jim Crow laws and the KKK after the Civil War. George Wallace was a Democrat, Bull Connor was a Democrat. When the Civil Rights Act of 1964 passed, the NAACP gave a special war to one congressman for his hard work: he was a Republican. Martin Luther King was a Republican. Jackie Robinson was a Republican.

But some folks will never buy any of this. Hurricane Katrina happened because Republican George Bush hates black people -- didn't you get the memo?

13 posted on 01/04/2009 3:57:27 PM PST by ClearCase_guy
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To: ClearCase_guy
Good points!

But as the origanl posters stated that liberals just say: "Oh but the parties switched in 1960. Republicans became Democrats and Democrats became Republicans."

It's libtard "logic" we are dealing with.

18 posted on 01/04/2009 4:18:31 PM PST by avacado
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To: ClearCase_guy
Generally speaking, it was the liberal and moderate Republicans who supported civil rights legislation in the 1950s and 1960s. The vast majority of Republican Congressmen hailed from New England or greater New England, the Northern tier of states from central New York to the coasts of Washington and Oregon that had been largely pioneered by New Englanders. By the 1950s, liberal and moderate Republicans had become dominant over the pre-New Deal conservatives of the Coolidge and Taft stripe. Conservative Republicans, notably Barry Goldwater, opposed the legislation, not on white supremacy grounds, as did George Wallace, Orval Faubus, or Ross Barnett, but on Constitutional ones, specifically with respect to states' rights, rights of association, and limitations on Federal power based on the Ninth and Tenth Amendments. Conservatives were more dominant in the West, excluding the coastal areas of Oregon, Washington, and northern California. National Review in that era was staunchly opposed to civil rights legislation.

The claim of Republicans as supporters of civil rights stems from the Reconstruction era. However, it must be remembered that had Lincoln not been assassinated, he likely would have opposed Reconstruction and permitted the Southern states to re-enter the Union merely upon a loyalty oath. Andrew Johnson, his successor, opposed it as well, but less successfully than Lincoln would have. The GOP abandoned this policy as a compromise to allow the election of Rutherford Hayes in 1876. Northern enthusiasm for bayonet rule of the South waned as its costs increased and the excesses of carpetbagger rule became better known. From 1877 onward, Republicans did little as resurgent Southern whites gradually disenfranchised blacks and reduced them to the status of subjects with few rights.

20 posted on 01/04/2009 4:50:06 PM PST by Wallace T.
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To: ClearCase_guy
My own opinion is that the National Socialists had an exclusively Collectivist viewpoint (group identity politics) and cared nothing for Individual rights, so I have to place them on the Left.

Does not the fact that the Nazis proclaimed themselves to be collectivist and socialist prove the point? They placed themselves on the left.

21 posted on 01/04/2009 5:15:46 PM PST by slowhandluke (It's hard work to be cynical enough in this age)
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