Did Dark Matter Power Early Stars?

Universe Today ^ | 1/02/09 | Nancy Atkinson

[do the dhue]

The edges of the universe are expanding but the universe itself is not expanding; and it is expanding from the middle outward. The way the Hubble sees it, this puts the Milky Way in the center of the universe.

OK, Although I think my theory is no good, lets go with galaxies are held in place by orbital dynamics. If orbital dynamics include the bending of space, this can cause the galaxies to collide. Einstein's theory says to stretch fabric out tightly, place a bowling ball in the middle, place a marble at the edge of the fabric, and the marble rolls toward the bowling ball because the fabric is pushing on it, not because of the gravitational pull of the bowling ball. The smaller galaxies would eventually collide with the larger galaxies for the same reason. The moon will collide with the earth, the earth with the sun. It would all work the same. This may be why the stars are not moving farther apart with the expansion of the universe. I don't know, I am just running with the ball. Most likely in the wrong direction.

[Lonesome in Massachussets]

We don’t disagree. I called “dark matter” a place holder for a more consistent theory. MOND is one candidate.

[ETL]

The edges of the universe are expanding but the universe itself is not expanding; and it is expanding from the middle outward. The way the Hubble sees it, this puts the Milky Way in the center of the universe.

Nope. Every part of the universe is moving away from every other part as space-time itself expands. It's often described as raisins moving away from each other in a rising loaf of bread, the raisins representing galaxies and other such objects in space.

[do the dhue]

The hubble is not showing this to be true.

[ETL]

OK, Although I think my theory is no good..."

Oops! Didn't catch the part until later. :)

[ETL]

OK, Although I think my theory is no good..."

Oops! Didn't catch that part until later. :)

[do the dhue]

This is not good because the Milky Way would have to be the biggest galaxy.

[ETL]

The Hubble is not showing this to be true.

Sure it is.

From your earlier post:

The Hubble is showing the universe expanding in all four directions from the the Milky Way. The funny thing is, the stars are not expanding further away from each other. If all of the universe is expanding the stars would be getting further away from each other as they expand. Some Scientists say there is another force stronger then gravity that is holding the universe together. They think it is the dark matter that is doing this job.

On 'local' scales, such as those within galaxies, gravity fights off the Hubble expansion (universal expansion), and so isn't much at all of a factor, if at all. The Hubble expansion can only be observed on much larger scales, where entire galaxies become 'pinpoints' in comparison.

Also, you wrote "in all four directions"? I think you meant "in every direction".

[SunkenCiv]

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Cosmic-ray hot spots puzzle researchers
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Discovered: Cosmic Rays from a Mysterious, Nearby Object
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Posted on 11/20/2008 11:23:12 AM PST by TaraP
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2135448/posts

[SunkenCiv]

Thanks KoRn.

[dayglored]

I can't believe, with all the Deadheads on FR, that nobody has posted this yet, so here goes....

Dark star crashes, pouring its light into ashes.
Reason tatters, the forces tear loose from the axis.
Searchlight casting for faults in the clouds of delusion.
Shall we go, you and I while we can
Through the transitive nightfall of diamonds?

Mirror shatters in formless reflections of matter.
Glass hand dissolving to ice petal flowers revolving.
Lady in velvet recedes in the nights of good-bye.
Shall we go, you and I while we can
Through the transitive nightfall of diamonds?

[DevNet]

And in Positron Emission Tomography scanners at your local cancer hospital.

[happinesswithoutpeace]

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[do the dhue]

Also, you wrote "in all four directions"? I think you meant "in every direction".

Yea, I was hoping that would cover it all. :-)

I had not read that yet about the hubble.

Thanks,

[samtheman]

Stars inside galaxies maintain their distance from each other by being in common rotation around a central core.

But the distance between galaxies is increasing. That’s what “expanding universe” means.

The distance between earth and other stars in our galaxy isn’t increasing, but the distance between our galaxy and all other galaxies is increasing.

And, it’s increasing at an increasing rate.

The rate of expansion is getting bigger.

The expansion not only shows no signs of slowing down, but seems instead to be speeding up.

It seems to any observer in any galaxy that his galaxy is “at the center of the universe” because the expanding universe is not like the expansion of an exploding powder keg but rather the expansion of space itself.

[onedoug]

Does it really matter?

I'd like to a little of the Mind Of God.

But we presumably live in a universe now in which the overall net mass is thought dark matter. Why wouldn't it seem to so interact now? HAPPY NEW YEAR, ALL!

[blueplum]

“That isn’t an xray that is a jet of gas. If there is a large rotating body surrounded by gas there are two main features. Accretion disc and a Plasma jet. Accretion disc sort of looks like Saturn’s rings but extend all the way towards the black hole. The plasma jet is gas from the Accretion disc that some how gains energy from the spinning of the black hole. The jets can extend hundreds or thousands of light years and are extremely fast moving and hot.
“

thanks!

So, my next neantherthal-recessive question is, are blackholes a two-way machine? is a black hole a dark matter (WIMP) consumer AND generator? could the ejected plasma/matter/dust combo ( plasma's sanitizing, de-isotoping and/or ‘etching’ effects on objects it encounters as it travels out hundreds of light years) create conditions for (re)formation (bonding) of WIMPS, replenishing/increasing the dark matter in the universe?

I'm not sure how all this fits together, but plasma jets created on earth from gases, have sanitizing and anti-radiation properties (degrading radio isotopes)
http://www.p2pays.org/ref/14/0_initiatives/init/spring01/plasma.htm
and also of etching surfaces to enhance bonding:
http://www.corotec.com/products/product3.html?id=1138127088

according to this article, the black hole ejects matter into the plasma stream - would that matter be de-isotoped by the plasma?:
http://uk.reuters.com/article/scienceNews/idUKN2338757920080423?sp=true

“”A black hole is a concentration of mass so dense that little can escape its gravitational pull. Aller said in a telephone interview that as objects fall into the black hole, others get shot out at very high velocities.”

according to this article, it must be pretty extreme magnetic field bending for an escape velocity of 99.9% the speed of light (are there sonic booms?):

http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=black-hole-plasma-jets-trace-corkscrew-path