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"You really didn't want to have that happen,"

I knew that.

1 posted on 12/27/2008 6:39:09 AM PST by decimon
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To: SunkenCiv

“How’s your Rolex?” ping


2 posted on 12/27/2008 6:40:23 AM PST by decimon
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To: decimon

That would stink, now wouldn’t it...


3 posted on 12/27/2008 6:42:35 AM PST by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: decimon
I wonder if some people knowingly bought the replica steel to instill fear in their opponents.

Either way, I bet not too many customers made it back to complain!

5 posted on 12/27/2008 6:59:59 AM PST by cmj328 (Filibuster FOCA or lose reelection)
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To: decimon

That’s just like a Viking.....bring a sword to a culverin fight.............


6 posted on 12/27/2008 7:03:32 AM PST by cowboyway ("The beauty of the Second Amendment is you won't need it until they try to take it away"--Jefferson)
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To: decimon
"You really didn't want to have that happen,"

O.K., sword shattering like glass in battle is a bad thing. Got it.

7 posted on 12/27/2008 7:04:03 AM PST by kennedy (I'm a Kennedy with no experience or qualifications too! Where do I sign up for MY Senate seat?)
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To: decimon

“You really didn’t want to have that happen,”

I knew that.
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8 posted on 12/27/2008 7:12:45 AM PST by heartwood (Tarheel in exile)
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To: decimon
From what little I recall from reading Beowulf as a student, old weapons from past generations were very much revered by the warriors in that epic. If such was the case, it makes sense that there was a market for forgeries of older swords even back then.
9 posted on 12/27/2008 7:12:48 AM PST by Welsh Rabbit
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To: decimon

I wonder if there has been any study of transition temperature of the material in the “good” vs “bad” swords. Viking swords were probably used at lower temperatures a good bit of the time.


11 posted on 12/27/2008 7:21:30 AM PST by FreePaul
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To: Ramius

Sword ping


12 posted on 12/27/2008 7:23:29 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: decimon

Buying swords from a guy selling them out of the back of his wagon!


13 posted on 12/27/2008 7:23:33 AM PST by csvset
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To: decimon

Historical evidence the Vikings had extensive trade with China....


16 posted on 12/27/2008 7:44:14 AM PST by PGR88
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To: decimon

If they used low carbon steel, quenched it, and didn’t temper it at all it would shatter. I found that out early on (14) in my knife making days. Of course the steel I was using such as railroad spikes and springs from rail cars were much better steel than they used.


20 posted on 12/27/2008 8:50:16 AM PST by dljordan
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To: decimon

It is an interesting curiousity that most ancient swords (those not found in graves) have been found in river beds. The reason for this is still a matter of much discussion and debate. I suppose that the simplest explanation is that the owners either drowned, or in struggling to save themselves from drowning they dropped everything weighting them down.


22 posted on 12/27/2008 9:09:53 AM PST by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: decimon

Everything about this article is wrong and stupid. Ulfberht swords are a well researched subject within Hoplology. His name was not in raised letters near the hilt. Rather, they were inlaid along the broad fuller of the blade. The inlays are supposed to be flush and when they fall out his name in actually evident in depressed letters.

The author also got the trade economics of the enterprise wrong. The original Ulfberhts were made of local bloomery steel produced in smelting stacks. It is the fakes which are made of Eastern steel, and not because the local contemporaries used import steel. Instead, it was the case that foreign counterfeiters were making fakes from their local variety of steel and exporting them like modern Chinese counterfeiters. They were not as litigious about trademark infringements back then.

He also misunderstands the physical evidence and gets the relationship between brittleness and carbon content reversed. Carbon content is a hardening factor in steel production and the absence of carbon leaves ferric alloys softer and therefore LESS brittle. This is especially the case with bloomery steels, as they begin as wrought iron, a material with a sort of ropey and fiberous grain structure.

Lastly, all steels blades are (and were) heat treated. That is the whole point of selecting steel as a blade material. That invariably consisted of heating and quenching the blade to harden it, followed by a tempering to draw out the brittleness. This typical blade of Northern European construction quite springy and flexible.

Modern reenactors and experimental archeologists have pain-stakingly reproduced these methods and are only just now beginning to approach the qualitative standards of past examples.


24 posted on 12/27/2008 9:19:16 AM PST by Brass Lamp
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ping!


25 posted on 12/27/2008 9:24:03 AM PST by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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27 posted on 12/27/2008 2:12:16 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile finally updated Saturday, December 6, 2008 !!!)
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To: decimon
There was a scene in the movie Scorpion King wherein the combatants charge one another and one of their swords shatters on contact. It wasn't scripted. Darn good thing nobody got kilt...
28 posted on 12/27/2008 2:20:44 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: decimon

Damn it didn’t take Eagles fans very long, did it.


40 posted on 12/29/2008 6:41:54 AM PST by dfwgator (I hate Illinois Marxists)
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To: decimon

Excellent analysis of steel sword making. Thanks to all, I learned a lot.


42 posted on 12/29/2008 3:49:28 PM PST by lookout88 (Combat search and rescue officer's dad.)
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