[Colonel Kangaroo]

We will continue to disagree on Lincoln: You think he was a water-walker; I think he was a despot who was largely responsible for the destruction of the republic envisioned and created by the Founders.

If the Founders envisioned a republic where a crooked drone class could lie, cheat and rabble rouse their way into a rebellion for the idea that human beings are property you might be right.

Anybody who is tempted to disapprove of Lincoln needs to take a hard look at the losers who were his opponents.

[ought-six]

“If the Founders envisioned a republic where a crooked drone class could lie, cheat and rabble rouse their way into a rebellion for the idea that human beings are property you might be right.”

(Sigh.) The Founders created a republic in which the individual states were co-equals, retaining much of their powers and rights, giving up only an enumerated few to a federal government whose purpose was to serve the interests of the UNITED states themselves; other than those rights and powers given to the federal government, limited as they were, all other powers, rights and privileges were retained by the states and the People. Lincoln was well known to have disagreed vehemently with that, as he was a very vocal proponent of the idea of a dominant federal government exercising control over subordinate states.

And, oh, by the way: What “crooked, drone class” are you talking about? Hollywood producers?

[Lucius Cornelius Sulla]

take a hard look at the losers who were his opponents.

I don't know, John Bell might have been OK.