Posted on 12/21/2008 9:00:16 AM PST by jackofhearts
...week later they had dinner together, and Mr. Weinstein’s attraction grew in direct proportion to Mr. Perreault’s dining pleasure. “He looked like he was sensually enjoying what he was eating,” said Mr. Weinstein, who is also a food writer. “This was a guy I could like.”...
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“I don’t know what’s deep inside of him, but I probe to find out every night.” UGH!
I see that definitions of terms means little to you. Marriage is and always has been between a man and a woman. You can call it something else if they want to ‘be in a relationship.’
Society (ie “us”) is allowed to determine rules and regulations, affirming and rejecting behaviors we find to be proper and improper.
Your problem is that by allowing everything, you FORCE everything on people who have a right NOT to have to accept things they don’t want to. They have the right to live their consciences as well.
If as you say, people have the right to whatever relationship they want, others have the right to NOT have those relationships forced upon them or have to accept them - in their work, in their church, in their home.
the problem you run into is that if anyone can do anything, nobody else can object to it. You wind up taking away people’s rights not to have anything and everything thrown in their faces.
And tell me, the gays are still hooking up and having relationships despite not being able to be ‘married’ - which they can never be. It hasn’t stopped them a bit.
You fail to see what they are doing here. They are trying to undermine and destroy the definition of marriage by making it meaningless (it can mean anything and everything). And you’re sitting there on the sidelines being a cheerleader for them.
I’ll give you this - I can tell that they chose each other and this lifestyle.
A recent marketing brochure from the State of MA had a photo and “blur” line with two gay guys (redundant?) and how there are wonderful things to do in P-Town.
We used to go to P-Town and watch the farie parades during the summer. It was kind of fun.
Now it just turns my stomach.
Oh my, are those her only two choices???
Oh. I’m sorry
I forgot to put on the end of my last post that it was a quote from Dick Cheney.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5817720/
If you need to believe that to make your argument, then go ahead. But here is the reality:
Women living with female intimate partners experience less intimate partner violence than women living with male intimate partners. Slightly more than 11 percent of the women who had lived with a woman as part of a couple reported being raped, physically assaulted, and/or stalked by a female cohabitant, but 21.7 percent of the women who had married or lived with a man as part of a couple reported such violence by a husband or male cohabitant.
Reminds me of O’Really defending gay adoption by saying, “I’d rather see a child raised by a loving gay couple than heterosexual abusers!” That’s the only option?
Let’s see: 2% of the population is gay. Of that 2%, significantly less than 100% wants to adopt. Of whatever that new percentage would be, only a percentage would be otherwise fit to adopt. So, we’re talking a pretty small number now.
I think we’ll comb through the remaining 98% of the population before we start imposing a couple of butt pirates on an innocent child.
Absolutely. I have no intention of storming the home of the lesbian couple in my neighborhood. I will not, however, subscribe to the notion that it's normal and not sinful. It's abnormal, and it is sin. Yes, I sin every day, but I acknowledge my sin and try not to repeat. Once we remove the label of sin from something, there's no longer anything to acknowledge, anything to repent, and that's deadly.
We as a society have decided that one sin after another is "no big deal," from out-of-wedlock births, to living together, to killing an inconvenient unborn child, and on and on and on. Every time we as a society buy into another lie about another sin being "no big deal," we further unravel the foundation of our society. There's also the fact that God Himself considers homosexuality to be an abomination. It's a perversion of His plan, the natural order He set in place.
MM (in TX)
His life was tragic, though so many in his circles affirmed his choices, and cheered him on in his depravity. That's not love. It's not even tolerance. It's hatred.
Also curious about who worked with the data to derive those statistics.
Post # 67
The idea that I have "chosen" to be a heterosexual is really laughable. Did you choose your sexual orientation?
Dick Cheney is not my God. Frankly he is just plain wrong and always has been when it comes to this issue. Further, freedom has both limitations and resposibilities to it. Freedom does not mean free to do whatever the hell you want.
You don’t have the freedom to break the law. You can, but you will face consequences. You don’t have the freedom to do a lot of things you might want to do, but yo uare still free, and can exercise your freedom within limits, and you must also take the good and bad consequences for exercising your freedoms.
This is the problem we face today. People think freedom means whatever the hell I want, I can go ahead and do it, and to hell with anyone else, just watch out if you try and stop me or get in my way. The kind of freedom the founders were talking about, and you can see it in their writings and the government they gave us, is one where people can live their lives without some king or government thug watching their every move, telling them what to do and when, being able to live a god-pleasing life and worship God without having to belong to an official state religion. But they also noted that this unprecedented amount of freedom for individuals could only work for a people that had morals and would voluntarily control themselves. Today that control is lackign in way too many people.
No that is not reality.
The reality of it is that the rate of violence in gay and lesbian partners are higher than hetero couples.
Domestic Violence in Lesbian Relationships
Acknowledging that domestic violence and abuse exist within the lesbian community is the first step towards helping victims and perpetrators of abuse. Oppression of lesbians and gay men within our society often leads lesbians to look to the lesbian community as a safe and protective haven from a hateful and ignorant world- perhaps providing the only sense of family some lesbians and gay men have. This often means that lesbians who batter go unchallenged, and their victims unprotected; indeed, some lesbian batterers may be well known within the feminist community but are able to continue their behavior because others fear being perceived as destroyers of their own community by revealing this “secret”.
Female Initiated Spousal Abuse
...data in Renzetti’s book (Sage Publications, 1992) suggests that the incidence of violence in lesbian relationships is at least equal to that in heterosexual ones, but probably even *more violent*. She writes (p.18): Bologna, Waterman, and Dawson (1987) discovered a high incidence of abuse in their survey of a self-selected sample of 174 lesbians. About 26% of their respondents reported having been subjected to at least one act of sexual violence; 59.8% had been victims of physical violence; and 81% had experienced verbal or emotional abuse. At the same time, 68% of the respondents reported that they had used violence against their current or most recent partner and had been victimized by a partner. Similarly, in a survey of a nonrandom sample of 1,099 lesbians, Lie and Gentlewarrior (in press) found that 52% of the respondents had been abused by a female lover or partner and that 30% admitted having abused a female lover or partner. Of those who had been victims of abuse, more than half (51.5%) reported that they also had been abusive toward their partners.
Studies over the past two decades on lesbian sexual violence show a range from a low of five percent to a
high of 57 percent of respondents claiming they had experienced attempted or completed sexual assault or rape
by another woman,
with most studies finding rates of over 30 percent
(Brand & Kidd, 1986; Duncan, 1990; Lie,
Schilit, Bush, Montagne & Reyes, 1991; Loulan, 1988; Renzetti, 1992; Sloan & Edmond, 1996; Waldner-
Haugrud & Gratch, 1997; Waterman, Dawson & Bologna, 1989).
Most studies finding over 30% - seems a bit higher than your 21.7% figure (from wherever you got it).
And as I said, talk to any cop who deals with domestic violence calls to same sex couples. it’s the dirty little secret that nobody talks about.
“I still don’t know what’s deep inside him. And I still want to know.”
so...many...jokes!
“He looked like he was sensually enjoying what he was eating,”....OH....just....Crikey!
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