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To: Swordmaker
“The Gospels are actually silent on which way the cloth was arrayed... but the principle of Occams’ Razor leans toward the traditional usage of shrouds... and even the term “shrouded” does not imply winding.”

True, and even the term winding doesn't tell us how wound.

In searching for information on 1st. century burial practices I keep finding statements that the body was wrapped and or dressed in burial garments (shrouds), or that Gamaliel started a tradition of simple burial garments.

Of course, that doesn't enlighten as to how wrapped, etc.

“Remember that Lazarus was called forth from the grave... and walked out, not burdened by 100 lbs or so of spices and herbs. That would hardly be possible if he were swaddled and wrapped around and around... and Lazarus’ burial was a complete, properly ritualized burial, not the hurried job that had to be done on Jesus.”

I'm not being flippant when I say if God can free Lazarus from death He could surely free him from cloth as easily.
But that's neither here nor there, When Jesus said, ‘come out’, Lazarus came out.

When you say “scholars” can you direct me to some of them?
I'd like to find out if different groups followed the same traditions and just how closely traditions were followed.

Having said my say, any sources you can share would be appreciated. Thanks.

79 posted on 12/18/2008 10:16:51 AM PST by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: count-your-change
When you say “scholars” can you direct me to some of them? I'd like to find out if different groups followed the same traditions and just how closely traditions were followed. Having said my say, any sources you can share would be appreciated. Thanks.

Unfortunately, most of the information I have been sharing with you has come from years (about 30) of reading and studying the subject matter as well as attending conferences and hearing presentations by some of those scholars, seeing their evidence and reading the rebuttals of the peer-reviews. I suggest you start looking at Barrie Schwortz excellent website:

www.shroud.com

Where you can find many of the scientific and scholarly articles on the Shroud. Barrie also has sources for many of the books on the subject.

You should also check out our fellow Freeper Shroudie's several sites including:

ShroudStory.com

and

www.Shroudof Turin4Journalists.com.

80 posted on 12/19/2008 1:02:35 AM PST by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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To: count-your-change

Oh, by the way, there are multiple threads about the Shroud on FreeRepublic. Do a search for Shroud.

In those threads you will find a lot of discussions and also some of the links you are looking for.


81 posted on 12/19/2008 1:03:57 AM PST by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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