Matt. 27:59 says Jesus body was “wrapped”,Greek-entulisso,
Mark 15:46 says Jesus body was “wrapped”, Greek-eneileo,
John says Jesus body was “wound”, Greek-deo,
Each of the Greek words carries a meaning of winding or wrapping the linen cloth around the body of Jesus (whether left or right is unimportant and unstated).
They are not draping him with a shroud, they are wrapping in just the sense we understand the word, as John said “wound”.
Were the hand and feet tied? Most likely as the description of Lazarus resurrection indicates but that is not what is being described as being done in the above verses.
Only John gives any details at all with Luke only mentioning Peter picking up some of the cloths.
Yes, I saw Gibson’s movie but I would hardly go to Hollywood for Biblical instruction, Mel just made that scene up about the blood.
“My understanding from conversations with a friend who is a conservative Jew, is that the constraint about trying to bury all of the blood with the body is more Mosaic Law and tradition than anything found in the Torah, although the concept of “Life being in the Blood” is definitely in the Torah and the prohibition about drinking or eating blood is based on that concept.”
What part of the Mosaic Law did he say this burying of all the blood with the deceased is based upon? Tradition perhaps, Mosaic Law? where?
“It is possible, if the Shroud is genuinely related the Jesus’ death, that the images developed over time, and were not instantaneous appearances.”
Now you’re really stretching! Do you think Jesus’ disciples were collecting relics? And from a tomb?
John says the Roman soldiers took Jesus’ garments and Joseph took the body and wrapped in a piece of cloth with spices. No shrouds with Kodak-like images appearing.
It appears that the Roman Catholic Church doesn’t accept Roger’s theory of a patch and neither does the founder’s of STRP of which he was a member.
It’s all so confusing.
A Shroud is not necessarily "draped" which implies covering like a table cloth. It wasn't just flipped over the body with the ends and sides left draped. The Shroud of Turin is 14 feet long and it was laid down, the body placed on part of it and the rest was "wrapped" up and over the head to cover the rest of the body. The body was entirely surrounded by the shroud which implies it was wrapped.
Yes, I saw Gibsons movie but I would hardly go to Hollywood for Biblical instruction, Mel just made that scene up about the blood.
Sorry, you are wrong. Mel did NOT make that up. My Jewish friend confirmed it is a requirement to, if possible, bury anything that is imbued or stained with blood with the body. Barrie Schwortz, also a Jew, has confirmed this. it is well founded in Jewish tradition and law. I found it interesting when I saw Gibson's movie because it was the first time I had seen that particular Jewish traditionwhich I already knew about from thirty-five years of studying the Shroud and scholarship related to itdepicted on film. Whether Mary actually did such a thing at the Crucifixion might be a dramatic license taken by the movie makers, but the tradition is genuine.
What part of the Mosaic Law did he say this burying of all the blood with the deceased is based upon? Tradition perhaps, Mosaic Law? where?
I had this conversation with my friend several years ago. Where in Mosaic Law or the marginalia that has been built around it did not come up. I was not particularly interested in that beyond the burial traditions.
Now youre really stretching! Do you think Jesus disciples were collecting relics? And from a tomb?
Not stretching. Some have claimed that the images did not develop immediately. I don't know. No one does. There was something very important about the grave cloths because they are discussed in all of the Gospels.
John says the Roman soldiers took Jesus garments and Joseph took the body and wrapped in a piece of cloth with spices. No shrouds with Kodak-like images appearing.
"...in a piece of cloth..." Note, singular. Joseph bought a shroud. In fact, he bought a "fine linen cloth," not strips, not bandages (as some translations have rendered the Greek words). A shroud is something that was and is used in Jewish burials. They did not swaddle or mummy-wrap their dead. They had to minimize contact with the body for fear of becoming ritually unclean themselves, especially one that was bloodied. Repeatedly lifting and running the cloth under and around would be unnecessary touching. They also had limited time, as it was "evening" before they even approached Pilate for permission to remove the body from the Cross... and, again, according to Jewish tradition, the dead had to be in their tombs or buried before sundown, especially a sundown that begins the Sabbath. They simply did not have time to wrap the body as you are claiming... nor have any Jewish burials from the period shown such a wrapping. Wrapping around the body from side-to-side is a confabulation of people who assume they were swaddled like mummies. They were not.