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Searchers find remains of Teutonic Knights leaders[Poland]
AP ^ | 12 Dec 2008 | MONIKA SCISLOWSKA

Posted on 12/12/2008 1:00:13 PM PST by BGHater

Polish archaeologists believe silk-draped skeletons found in a cathedral crypt are those of three grand masters who more than 600 years ago ruled the Teutonic Knights — an order that spread religion through force.

An archaeologist in the city of Kwidzyn — the Teutonic fortress of Marienwerder in the Middle Ages — said Friday that DNA tests indicate the remains are those of Werner von Orseln, the knights' leader from 1324-1330; Ludolf Koenig, who ruled from 1342-1345; and Heinrich von Plauen, who reigned from 1410-1413.

"Taking everything into account, we see that we are dealing with Teutonic Knights grand masters," Bogumil Wisniewski, an archaeologist who spearheaded the search, told The Associated Press. "We are 95, 96 percent sure it is them."

He said the skeletons, found in wooden coffins, were draped in silks — some painted with gold — a fabric reserved only to those highest in power in the Middle Ages.

DNA tests matched their age to that of the death age of the three grand masters. They also revealed temporary malnutrition in one of the skeletons that could match the 10-year imprisonment of von Plauen.

While Wisniewski acknowledged he could only be completely certain of the identities "if I met each face-to-face and he told me his name," he said several other indicators supported the find, including wall paintings in the cathedral showing the three grand masters and historic documents saying that von Orseln and Koenig were buried there. The order ruled in the area until early 16th century.

Wojciech Weryk, coordinator for city development and promotion, said the remains will be returned to the crypt and displayed under a special glass shield, so visitors can see them.

"This is such a valuable historic finding that we should show it," Weryk said.

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TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: alexandernevsky; eisenstien; godsgravesglyphs; knight; poland; sergeieisenstein; teutonic; teutonicknights
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1 posted on 12/12/2008 1:00:14 PM PST by BGHater
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To: BGHater
ping.
2 posted on 12/12/2008 1:00:42 PM PST by BGHater (Obama is a Neocon.)
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To: SunkenCiv

duh..ping.


3 posted on 12/12/2008 1:01:09 PM PST by BGHater (Obama is a Neocon.)
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To: BGHater
Interesting finding. As someone of Polish descent, however, I have pretty mixed feelings about this. The Teutonic Knights were one some of the most despicable people to ever walk the face of the earth.
4 posted on 12/12/2008 1:06:05 PM PST by curiosity
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To: BGHater; All
The Order of the Teutonic Knights was founded in the late 12th century to aid German pilgrims in the Holy Land. It became a military order, wearing trademark white coats with black crosses, forcefully bringing Christianity to pagan Prussians

Anyone know of any other instances of Christianity being forced on anyone?

5 posted on 12/12/2008 1:10:17 PM PST by Pontiac (Your message here.)
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To: Pontiac

Iberia, for example.


6 posted on 12/12/2008 1:15:17 PM PST by BGHater (Obama is a Neocon.)
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To: Pontiac

Charlemagne and the Saxons?

Various Scandanavian and Anglo-Saxon kings?

Vladimir the Great of Russia?

The Spanish and Portugese in Latin America?

Spanish and Portugese persecution of Jews and Muslims?

Those are off the top of my head.


7 posted on 12/12/2008 1:15:44 PM PST by Sherman Logan (Everyone has a right to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.)
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To: curiosity
The Teutonic Knights were one some of the most despicable people to ever walk the face of the earth.

Did you hear about the Teutonic knights who thought they were iron men because had rust in their armor ?

8 posted on 12/12/2008 1:17:59 PM PST by kbennkc (For those who have fought for it freedom has a flavor the protected will never know F/8 Cav)
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To: Pontiac

I’ve read that the Teutonic Knights were yet another group of mass murdering Germans not people that spread their religion by whatever means. The article said that they engaged in ethnic cleansing in Poland and settled the land with Germans.

IMO forceful conversion would be a step up from that.


9 posted on 12/12/2008 1:19:53 PM PST by Varda
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To: Pontiac
Anyone know of any other instances of Christianity being forced on anyone?

I have heard of my grandma wearing out your behind with a corn stalk if you sneak out of church .

10 posted on 12/12/2008 1:20:11 PM PST by kbennkc (For those who have fought for it freedom has a flavor the protected will never know F/8 Cav)
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To: curiosity

“The Teutonic Knights were one some of the most despicable people to ever walk the face of the earth. “

Why?


11 posted on 12/12/2008 1:23:46 PM PST by patton (Vista malware delende est - Norton Antivirus)
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To: BGHater


Teutonic knights? Where? We'll go take 'em out!
12 posted on 12/12/2008 1:25:50 PM PST by dr_who
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To: kbennkc
I have heard of my grandma wearing out your behind with a corn stalk if you sneak out of church .

Unless that cornstalk still has the ears on it that threat doesn’t sound like much of a deterrent.

13 posted on 12/12/2008 1:42:24 PM PST by Pontiac (Your message here.)
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To: Sherman Logan

Thanks for the info


14 posted on 12/12/2008 1:46:07 PM PST by Pontiac (Your message here.)
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To: BGHater
Iberia, for example.

Before or after the Muslim invasion?

15 posted on 12/12/2008 1:47:51 PM PST by Pontiac (Your message here.)
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To: Sherman Logan
Spanish and Portugese persecution of Jews and Muslims?

Ferdinand and Isabella’s Inquisition?

16 posted on 12/12/2008 1:49:40 PM PST by Pontiac (Your message here.)
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To: Pontiac

Pre ‘92 and after.


17 posted on 12/12/2008 1:51:25 PM PST by BGHater (Obama is a Neocon.)
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To: patton

One of the popular traditions of the Teutonic Knights was known as a Reis. A wealthy noble or knight from elsewhere in Christian Europe searching for adventure would travel to the Baltic coast to arrange one in exchange for funding the Order. This was a way for the Teutonic Knights to both raise money, influence, and manpower from those who chose to participate. What the Reis entailed can best be described as a human safari wherein knights would hunt Prussian, Lithuanian, or virtually any peasant in the area for sport. Think of the scene in planet of the apes where the apes on horseback are riding down the fleeing humans in the fields. Like that, except bloodier.


18 posted on 12/12/2008 1:51:25 PM PST by cmdjing
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To: patton
They virtually exterminated a whole race of Baltic people (the Baltic Prussians, not to be confused with the Germanic Prussians) in the name of evangelization. Those Baltic pagans that they did not kill, they enslaved.

They attacked Christian dukedoms and principalities in the name of evangelization, falsely accusing them of being pagan when they in fact were not. Those they defeated, they also enslaved, even though they were Christian.

When recruiting troops in the West for their war against Poland in the 15th century, they would falsely tell recruits that it was for a crusade against a pagan kingdom, even though the Polish kingdom had been Christian since the 10th century.

All in all, they were a horrible, evil group of people who committed unspeakable atrocities in the name of Christ.

It is a pity King Jagelo of Poland did not completely wipe them out after winning his war against them. Instead, he signed a treaty with them and let them become vassals of the Polish crown. That was a big mistake.

19 posted on 12/12/2008 2:34:54 PM PST by curiosity
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To: lizol

You might find this article interesting.


20 posted on 12/12/2008 2:36:37 PM PST by curiosity
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