Posted on 12/12/2008 10:32:45 AM PST by stockpirate
My daughter just watched it. She told me it about our founding documents and she said that the movie basically says it is not illegal to stage a revolution to overthrow our corrupt government.
I'd like to hear what fellow freeper's think about this topic.
I am not advocating the overthrow of our governement, only a discussion about the topic.
And has anyone else seen the movie? I will be going this weekend to a movie near me.
“In 1600, Sir John Harrington wrote these immortal words:
“Treason doth never prosper; what’s the reason? For if it prosper, none dare call it treason.” “
“If this be treason then make the most of it” Patrick Henry
Yes, its illegal to overthrow our corrupt government. That doesn’t make it wrong, just illegal.
All of our Founding Fathers were criminals in the eye of the Crown.
That’s how revolutions work. Don’t start one unless you are ready to fight to the death in order to win.
Bingo!
I’m getting close!
I’ ve come from a country where revolution and what followed has killed several dozen million people. I don’t think it’s a good idea.
It all depends on whether you actually BELIEVE the philosophy outlined/stated in the Declaration of Independence.
PS - I DO!
That’s the best post i’ve ever seen you write.
The Declaration of Independence is MANY things.
“codified into our law” is NOT one of them.
Well you should know that O’s friend Bill Ayers said that when the communist takeover America they would need to eliminate about 30 million Americans who would not conform to communism.
Is it better for 30-40 million capitalists to die on their knees, or die on their feet as free men? And kill as many as the communist bastards as they can?
The movie starts with the killing of civilians by accident as part of the war on terror, perpetuating the myth that more civilians are killed that terrorists and that the US military is reckless.
The plot is about a government super computer that was built to spy on everyone. The plot perpetuates the myth that the Bushes Patriot act is a bad thing, and things will go awry in the future when the big brother knows above and beyond just what library books we check out.
The rouge computer knowing of everything has the ability to calculate objects to fall on anybody anywhere, to kill, it can ring anybodies cell phone, know where they are to give messages to somebody else, anywhere, in time, just in time. It does this by watching everyone in the US through surveillance cameras anywhere they may be, and keeping track of all 300 million US citizens whereabouts.
(We don’t even know today in 2008 where the 30 million illegal Alain’s are now, or where the president of the United States was born , so how a government computer will be all knowing any time soon, is a leap of faith).
The computer has decided that the executive branch is a threat to the public good and must be eliminated, so by its powers begins to knock off people in order to take over the government. We are lead to believe that a computer can calculate a crane to dump an object in the middle of a car chase, in order to prevent the police from discovering the computers intentions.
I didn’t catch the part exactly where it is assumed that if the government is out of control that it must be overthrown. But is is certainly implied in the movie that this is why the computer’s logic thinks it needs to remove the executive branch. Its not stated specifically, but I can see why somebody watching this might think that the Constitution says this, because the computer has come to the conclusions of its mission from reading articles the Constitution in its memory.
The casting is really bad, there some PC actors cast to play the parts of computer geeks, and military officials...Its really dumb...To see this movie, one needs to suspend all logic and succumb to a willing suspension of disbelief.
We now have freedom to speak as long as it's approved, we have freedom of religion as long as it's non Christian, we have freedom of Assembly as long as it's not a "hate" group, we have the right to guns as long as they approve of you and your gun, and so on and so forth. I won't even get into eminent domain and other freedoms lost for now, but you get the picture. There is a line out there somewhere, but if Waco and Ruby Ridge didn't cross it, I'm not sure where it is. I was hoping it would be the Second Amendment, but I fear we will have the same stones the British, Aussies, and others have shown. When they come to get them, you hand them over because it seems "reasonable" to you. Just as hate speech seems reasonable, forbidding God in the culture seems reasonable, searching your emails and phone conversations seems reasonable, homosexual marriage seems reasonable, supporting businesses that can't make money seems reasonable, taking your land for a private cause to raise the tax base seems reasonable, owning over 1/3 of the land mass of America seems reasonable, forbidding oil drilling and giving money to our enemies seems reasonable, watching a president lie on TV and not calling it purgery seems reasonable, electing a president that was friends with a terrorist and wants to have a pow wow with Muslims as his first official foreign policy act seems reasonable, electing someone that won't show a Birth Certificate and no one is allowed to see his college papers or even know for sure what his real name is seems reasonable, and finally, sitting idly by while 40 million babies are butchered and doing nothing seems reasonable enough. When we get universal health care, these same people will decide to kill your baby for it's "carbon footprint", because you already have too many children, or just because the mom says she doesn't want it 6 months after birth. They will decide that you cost too much to keep alive and stroll through nursing homes "pulling the plug" one people they deem unworthy to live. Is that a line we won't cross? I don't know. We allowed it with Terri Shiavo and many here cheered it. We allowed a woman with no living will to be executed by a judge that usually decides who get the silverware in probate court. She had not committed any crime, wasn't charged with any capital crime, and yet was murdered by the state because her ex husband wanted her gone. You can make any moral judgment you want, but it was illegal to kill her. She was declared a non-person that day and lost her rights. With that logic, the majority could declare "blacks" are non-persons and put them back in chains. You probably were led to believe that issue was settled, but apparently a white woman can still lose her citizenship as long as the majority agrees. When the state decides that you or a family member no longer deserves to live, who will come to your defense? I don't know if there are any left.
We have a group called the Minutemen trying to patrol our borders because the government won't do what it was hired to do, and look at their reputation.
bump
Pat sounds like a “go for broke” kind of guy. Guess he knew whatever the term failure meant either hanging or being shot.
If you read the Declaration of Independence, you will see 27 reasons why King George got his letter. I suspect that when We The People have grievances equal to that number, we will be close to the trigger.
BTW, we do know where the illegal aliens are, we choose to do nothing about it. Whenever they enroll in school, go to the hospital, go to jail, get a job, get a drivers licence, etc, we know they are here and have false papers. We don't care. Politicians use our tax money to buy votes to stay in power.
You have to understand that some would-be revolutionaries have fantasies of overthrowing the government. They have no real idea what revolution is about, or how brutal it can be for both sides. Rational people want no part of one unless absolutely necessary, and we’re no where near that point.
“This could result in the troops refusing the order which would result in the collapse of the government in power. Or if the troops fired on the crowds, the next time they met the protesters there would be a different outcome as the crowds would be armed.”
“Actually there may even be armed patriots in the crowds the first go around and return fire.”
I think something similar happened once at a place called “Lincoln Green”
Its amazing how much you can learn from reading History.
I'm wondering if some of those that left the force and never returned did so because they were totally disgusted by the orders they were given and refused to carry them out.
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