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Fleckenstein to Shutter Short-Selling Hedge Fund(feeling the heat?)
NYT ^ | 12/08/08

Posted on 12/09/2008 9:22:25 AM PST by TigerLikesRooster

Fleckenstein to Shutter Short-Selling Hedge Fund

December 8, 2008, 7:25 am

Topics Hedge FundsIndustries Financial Services

One of the most public defenders of short-selling is closing down his fund.

Bill Fleckenstein, the hedge fund manager, wrote in his Daily Rap column that he was closing down his Fleckenstein Capital fund. Mr. Fleckenstein’s column was reprinted on the Calculated Risk blog.

In it, the fund manager writes that he always intended to return to the long side of investing, as opposed to the short-seller’s strategy of betting against stocks. He became a short seller in part because of what he described as a bubble that stemmed from Alan Greenspan-era policies. At the same time, being a short seller, he writes, is “very stressful, nerve-wracking and generally not very much fun.”

Only two months ago, Mr. Fleckenstein was one of several short-selling hedge fund managers profiled by Bloomberg Markets magazine. He argued that the coterie of short sellers wasn’t responsible for the panic and chaos that rolled across Wall Street.

(Excerpt) Read more at dealbook.blogs.nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: fleckenstein; hedgefund; octobersurprise; septembersurprise; shortselling; soros; sorostm
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1 posted on 12/09/2008 9:22:27 AM PST by TigerLikesRooster
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To: TigerLikesRooster; PAR35; bamahead; AndyJackson; Thane_Banquo; nicksaunt; MadLibDisease; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 12/09/2008 9:23:10 AM PST by TigerLikesRooster (kim jong-il, chia head, ppogri, In Grim Reaper we trust)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
One of the least understood and yet most expounded-upon activities in a market.

Listening to all the talk about it is like listening to debates about theology at Teamsters meeting.

3 posted on 12/09/2008 9:26:47 AM PST by the invisib1e hand
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To: TigerLikesRooster

shorting is part of the investment game and a way for people to speculate on market conditions. People whine about the shorts attacking companies without mercy but the fact is not every company deserves to survive and without shorts we lack a means to counter bubble seekers.


4 posted on 12/09/2008 9:28:08 AM PST by misterrob (Smooth talkers win at singles bars and in politics .. often with similar outcomes for the listener)
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To: Dick Bachert

What’s your evidence this guy was engaging in naked short selling? My guess is that anyone who’s vocal about a short position is doing it legitimately, since naked short sellers won’t want to draw any unnecessary attention to themselves.


6 posted on 12/09/2008 9:43:15 AM PST by Arguendo
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To: misterrob

Shortsellers have a bad reputation because of the bad apples among them. The ones who spread lies and profit from them. The ones who work with ambulance chasing lawyers to invent class action lawsuits to drive down prices. The ones who are in jail for their illegal stunts.

Despite all their tactics, it’s still a very hard way to make money so I understand where Fleckenstein is coming from. I stick to bear market index ETFs ‘cause shorting individual stocks is too nerve wracking.


7 posted on 12/09/2008 9:44:41 AM PST by freespirited (Honk to indict the MSM for treason.)
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To: the invisib1e hand
I liken it to a bunch of line cooks expounding on crepe suzette recipes.
8 posted on 12/09/2008 9:46:17 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: Arguendo

I’ll have this dialog with you AFTER you’ve visited that website. Copy and paste it if necessary.

If you’re still asking that question AFTER visiting the site, you are one sick puppy and apparently have no friends or family in the military.


9 posted on 12/09/2008 9:57:50 AM PST by Dick Bachert
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To: Arguendo

Forgot to add that even if this sob was shorting with borrowed shares, he is STILL probably indirectly responsible for the deaths of some of our folks and should be prosecuted.


10 posted on 12/09/2008 10:00:18 AM PST by Dick Bachert
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To: Dick Bachert
Oh, and about that "deepcapture.com" link:

Bulls---. You really think Force Protection's fall had more to do with naked short selling than with this?

Force Protection to Restate Interim Consolidated Financial Statements for First and... (along with earlier suspicions that management wasn't trustworthy)

I'd suggest you stop spreading lies like that based on naked class envy.

11 posted on 12/09/2008 10:04:18 AM PST by Arguendo
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To: Dick Bachert

I like your style!


12 posted on 12/09/2008 10:09:16 AM PST by dennisw (Never bet on Islam! ::::: Never bet on a false prophet!)
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To: Dick Bachert

In my first post I was talking about Fleckenstein, whom you seem to condemn without any basis. Was he even involved in Force Protection?


13 posted on 12/09/2008 10:09:20 AM PST by Arguendo
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To: Dick Bachert
Until we can get THAT program under way, the SEC should IMMEDIATELY prohibit further naked shorts by these hedgehogs

Naked short selling is already illegal. Has been for years.

14 posted on 12/09/2008 10:40:48 AM PST by Toddsterpatriot (The enemy is in your heart, self respect robbed by self pity)
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To: Dick Bachert; groanup; Mase; 1rudeboy; expat_panama

I’d believe Bill Clinton talking about the joy of celibacy before I believed anything Patrick Byrne says about short sellers. LOL!


15 posted on 12/09/2008 11:37:42 AM PST by Toddsterpatriot (The enemy is in your heart, self respect robbed by self pity)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
Patrick Byrne from Overstock.com? LOL

He's a conspiracy head case. Here's what he said on Fox Business:

Can you imagine journalists taking orders from hedge fund managers? Most of 'em wouldn't even have a clue as to what they were being instructed to do. Byrne's a first rate tin foiler whose only redeeming quality is entertainment.

16 posted on 12/09/2008 12:49:25 PM PST by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: Mase
I wonder if Pat had anything bad to say about people who shorted Enron or Worldcom stock?

I wonder if Pat has the same illness as Paul Craig Roberts?

17 posted on 12/09/2008 12:53:46 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot (The enemy is in your heart, self respect robbed by self pity)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

SURE! And, while I personally like Chris Cox, the current SEC is there to police every trade.

Uh huh!!


18 posted on 12/09/2008 12:55:21 PM PST by Dick Bachert
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To: Dick Bachert
Well, now that we agree that naked short selling has been illegal for years, maybe we can also agree that we need better enforcement of the rules already on the books?

Let me know if you have any questions, I'm always glad to help.

19 posted on 12/09/2008 12:58:51 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot (The enemy is in your heart, self respect robbed by self pity)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
I wonder if Pat has the same illness as Paul Craig Roberts?

There seems to be a lot of that illness going around these days. I expect a miracle cure to become available on January 20th.

20 posted on 12/09/2008 1:12:00 PM PST by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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