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To: Ditto
“There is no conflict in my mind between evolution and creation. I accept in both.” [excerpt]
Darwinian evolution asserts that all life evolved from a single life from, through purely natural processes, including natural selection, and that, from the very beginning, there was death and suffering.

Supernatural creation asserts that God created all life and all kinds of animals, and that from the beginning, everything was perfect in a complete absence of death.

Only through the sin of Adam did death and suffering enter the world, bringing with it the need for redemption.


If everything evolved and there has been death from the beginning and Adam's sin did not cause death to enter the world, then Christ's death on the cross becomes moot.

Links, if your interested:

Theistic evolution: what difference does it make?
Like fire and ice, the Bible and evolution don’t mix


God and evolution: do they mix?
Belief in God and evolution seems an easy option to some. But is the cost too heavy to bear?


10 dangers of theistic evolution
321 posted on 12/05/2008 3:31:42 PM PST by Fichori (I believe in a Woman's right to choose, even if she hasn't been born yet.)
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To: Fichori

I don’t htink that those who beleive in Macroevoltuion are itnerested in those links- It seems incredible, but apparently the Catholic Church has simply brushed aside the FACT that Macroevoltuion is impossible, that hte fossil record doesn’t support macroevolution, and that the biolgical evidence shows discontinuity, not common descent, and decided to believe the secular lie that God just let nature take it’s own course, violate it’s own rules, and create ever increasing complexities of a self-organizing nature. Apparently, in the Church’s mind, there once was a time when Nature was Omnipotent, Omnipresent, and Omniscient, and had creative powers that were- well- miraculous in nature- Supernatural infact. The Church seems to be replacing their belief in a Supernatural God with a belief in a Supernatural Nature- They seem willing to endow Nature with Every Supernatural character of God in order for Species to have violated Nature itself, and biology, to arrive at it’s current irreducibly complex condition

I’ll stick with a Supernatural God who superceeded nature to create wonderfully and complex species fulyl formed and fully functional- A God who wasn’t bound by the laws that would HAVE to bind Nature, and in which Nature MUST have been supernaturally able to violate in order for species to arrive at hteir current condition.


324 posted on 12/05/2008 4:57:40 PM PST by CottShop
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To: Fichori
Darwinian evolution asserts that all life evolved from a single life from...

Could be, or it could have evolved from multiple sources. However God wanted to do it is fine with me. I can't even begin to comprehend it and nether can any other human.

Supernatural creation asserts that God created all life and all kinds of animals, and that from the beginning, everything was perfect in a complete absence of death.

Only through the sin of Adam did death and suffering enter the world, bringing with it the need for redemption.

If everything evolved and there has been death from the beginning and Adam's sin did not cause death to enter the world, then Christ's death on the cross becomes moot.

So the Lions and Tigers in Adam and Eve's days were vegetarians? Did they kill for food? Did their prey suffer when the fangs sank into their flanks? Were Adam and Eve vegetarians?

The way I look at creation, and I think the way the Catholic Church looks at it is this.

Humans, are the only creatures we know of who have the ability to even comprehend God. We comprehend God because we understand that something can not, through natural processes, come from nothing. Ergo, the power that brought something out of nothing is Supernatural.

Therefore, that power we can not even begin to comprehend created all of this stuff we are built from that we call the universe. If that power has the ability to create all of that, He also has the power to allow life, and eventually humans, to evolve from some sort of pond scum via the very natural processes that He created. Science is only about our meger attempts to understand what He did.

I am not offended by that. The more we understand via science the more amazed I am at His power.

To paraphrase the Church's philosophy, religion is not about telling us how the heavens were made, but about teaching us how to make it to heaven.

IMHO, Darwin simply described what he saw, which is only a small part of God's handywork.

There is no conflict in my mind, and I believe we are designed, by our Creator, in the manner He chose to accomplish it. We are not an accident.

325 posted on 12/05/2008 6:39:25 PM PST by Ditto
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