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To: Fichori
Darwinian evolution asserts that all life evolved from a single life from...

Could be, or it could have evolved from multiple sources. However God wanted to do it is fine with me. I can't even begin to comprehend it and nether can any other human.

Supernatural creation asserts that God created all life and all kinds of animals, and that from the beginning, everything was perfect in a complete absence of death.

Only through the sin of Adam did death and suffering enter the world, bringing with it the need for redemption.

If everything evolved and there has been death from the beginning and Adam's sin did not cause death to enter the world, then Christ's death on the cross becomes moot.

So the Lions and Tigers in Adam and Eve's days were vegetarians? Did they kill for food? Did their prey suffer when the fangs sank into their flanks? Were Adam and Eve vegetarians?

The way I look at creation, and I think the way the Catholic Church looks at it is this.

Humans, are the only creatures we know of who have the ability to even comprehend God. We comprehend God because we understand that something can not, through natural processes, come from nothing. Ergo, the power that brought something out of nothing is Supernatural.

Therefore, that power we can not even begin to comprehend created all of this stuff we are built from that we call the universe. If that power has the ability to create all of that, He also has the power to allow life, and eventually humans, to evolve from some sort of pond scum via the very natural processes that He created. Science is only about our meger attempts to understand what He did.

I am not offended by that. The more we understand via science the more amazed I am at His power.

To paraphrase the Church's philosophy, religion is not about telling us how the heavens were made, but about teaching us how to make it to heaven.

IMHO, Darwin simply described what he saw, which is only a small part of God's handywork.

There is no conflict in my mind, and I believe we are designed, by our Creator, in the manner He chose to accomplish it. We are not an accident.

325 posted on 12/05/2008 6:39:25 PM PST by Ditto
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To: Ditto; Fichori
"However God wanted to do it is fine with me"

Doesn't sound like it to read your post. He told us that he did the entire creation in six days, but you'd prefer to believe a pack of liars that fabricate nonsense, and claim evidence that doesn't exist, and that's mathematically impossible to exist, rather than taking our all-powerful Father at his word. Doesn't sound like you believe at all.

326 posted on 12/05/2008 6:46:13 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Obama - not just an empty suit - - A Suit Bomb invading the White House)
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To: Ditto; editor-surveyor; Ethan Clive Osgoode
“So the Lions and Tigers in Adam and Eve's days were vegetarians?” [excerpt]
Genesis 1:30: And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein [there is] life, [I have given] every green herb for meat: and it was so.

“Did they kill for food?” [excerpt]
Not each other.
(But the herbs died upon being eaten)

“Did their prey suffer when the fangs sank into their flanks?” [excerpt]
Do plants have feelings?
“Were Adam and Eve vegetarians?” [excerpt]
Genesis 1:29: ¶ And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which [is] upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which [is] the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.

“He also has the power to allow life, and eventually humans, to evolve from some sort of pond scum via the very natural processes that He created.” [excerpt]
Just because he has the power to do something, does not mean he does it.

Like I said on another thread, the problem comes in when people start saying that he did it in a way that contradicts how he said he did it.

And as Ethan Clive Osgoode pointed out, 'Aside from that, there is the problem of saying that He did it in a way that precludes any end, goal, purpose or intention on His part.'

“Science is only about our meger attempts to understand what He did.” [excerpt]
And in the case of many, science is a way to attempt to explain where everything came from without there being a God.

“IMHO, Darwin simply described what he saw, which is only a small part of God's handywork.” [excerpt]
Unfortunately, he described way more than he ever saw.

“There is no conflict in my mind, and I believe we are designed, by our Creator, in the manner He chose to accomplish it. We are not an accident.” [excerpt]
Darwinian Evolution denies design and is accident driven.

Fortunantly, we are told how He chose to make us:
And the LORD God formed man [of] the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. Genesis 2:7
No from goo to you by way of the zoo, and certianly no middle-man monkey involved.
327 posted on 12/05/2008 7:18:47 PM PST by Fichori (I believe in a Woman's right to choose, even if she hasn't been born yet.)
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To: Ditto
Darwin simply described what he saw

No, he also excluded final ends (finality). That is, the theory of evolution excludes teleology: purpose, planning, intention, active causation, and design on the part of God. Now if you don't believe this you can pick up almost any mainstream evolution book in the last 150 years and see for yourself that "evolution" is unguided, unplanned, unintentional, without goal or purpose, and undesigned. You may object and say that there is no rational reason to exclude these, that there can be no scientific justification for these ideological constraints. Nevertheless, that is mainstream "evolution".

330 posted on 12/06/2008 4:25:46 AM PST by Ethan Clive Osgoode (<<== Click here to learn about Darwinism!)
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