I really don’t understand why this is still an issue here on FR. I’ve selected a sample of people from this thread who seem to be on both sides of the issue to comment on, what I believe are the facts of the situation.
1. Barack claims to be born in Hawaii in 1961.
2. He claims to have provided an electronic version of the original birth certificate (not the original or a photocopy of the original).
3. Hawaii was a state by 1961.
4. Perhaps most importantly, the State of Hawaii has confirmed they have a birth certificate on file for him, but have prevented anyone but his immediate family from seeing it.
Now, given #2, any issues that arise that claim to show the copy BO has provided on his website is not a copy of an original because it doesn’t have the proper “seal” or because the borders along the certificate aren’t “genuine” seem to be a red herring. This is because it’s an electronic version of the original. It wasn’t claimed to be a copy of the original or the original itself, but again, an electronic version of the original, so it’s perfectly understandable that it wouldn’t bear an embossed seal, or the boarders along the certificate might not be the same as an original.
However, even beyond that, given #4, we (apparently) *know* that the State of Hawaii has a BC for a one “Barack Hussein Obama”, at the time he claims to have been born there, so, given that alone, isn’t it reasonable to assume that he was born there? I mean, what else can we go on at this point?
That he’s assumed the identity of someone named “Barack Hussein Obama” all these years? That’s the only thing left that would seem to call into question his (basic) Constitutional qualification to be president.
Unless someone can explain to me how these two issues (especially #4) aren’t germane to the issue, then I really think it’s time to let this go, before it spins wildly out of control into some kind of nutter conspiracy theory like those about 9/11, making us all look like a bunch of “right wing nuts”.
Let’s pray real hard for this dead thing to resurrect! :-)
You are inverting the moral emphasis of this argument. All this speculation, correct or not; has come about because this lying crypto-marxist thug from the most corrupt environs of leftist Chicago sewer politics has ascended to POTUS-elect status with the willing aquiescence of the MSM. The MSM was hell-bent on concealing this usurper’s background because they wanted him to be elected. Now, in a classic case of blame the messenger, those of us who belive in the constitution are being reviled for insisting that a POTUS comply with a basic requirement that most of us unhesitatingly conform with when seeking a driver’s license.
The arrogance and effrontery of this lying bastid is breathtaking. The founders knew that they were not natural born citizens, so they had to include language in Art II Sec 1 that exempted THEM. Does this fraud think that he is better than Washington, Madison, Adams, and Jefferson in that sense? Apparently he does, and with the submission of enough folks who think like you, he will suceed in usurping and corrupting the Executive Branch of government. This situation presents the very real posssibility of impelling this great nation beyond a constitutional crisis toward a civil war.
Finally, consider the implications of a man who would undertake these devious machinations to knowingly assume an office that he has no constitutional claim to, and than to see this same counterfeit president elect take an oath to defend that constitution. I believe that such a man would be willing to impose ANY sort or despotism or tyranny upon us to retain power.