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To: swordfishtrombone
The fundamental, moral and practical imperative for bringing the fight to Iraq is undoubtable.
Wow. Well, somehow I'm magically able to doubt something undoubtable. I guess I'm special.
It all comes down to a simple question in this instance: do you feel that priority targets (be them Al Qaeda or Taliban in nature) are essentially useless to go after because more will just "spring up in their place"?
This is a straw man argument. I never said that or even implied it.
In Fallujah and Baqubah we killed literally thousands of Talibani recruits and stifled a dangerous and burgeoning arm of extreme militant Islam.
What are you talking about? No one in either of these locations had anything whatsoever to do with the Taliban. This is just plain fiction.
The progress and the within Iraq for the name of protecting liberty is all the evidence you need to justify the invasion...
Iraq used to be a place where the was water and power and innocent people could walk the streets without getting blown to pieces. It used to be a place where you could be openly Christian without being murdered. I'm not saying that it was better under Saddam — no, that opinion comes from Iraqis themselves. Iraq is a mess. You have an awfully ignorant definition of "progress." Your baseless claims are propaganda. The truth on the ground is not as you describe it.

I don't really care what you believe. The American public doesn't buy this line anymore. Frankly, they don't really know what's going on either, but they just want it to stop. I'm saying it never should have started in the first place.

325 posted on 11/07/2008 12:49:41 PM PST by Mr. Know It All (Quicumque vult salvus esse, ante omnia opus est, ut teneat catholicam fidem)
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To: Mr. Know It All
Iraq is a mess

And what of it? All war against breaking the back of tyranny and oppression is messy. To refuse to come to the aid of freedom from oppression and tyranny is cowardice beyond reproach. Have fun living in your little bunkers, you "Freedom Opposers". The rest of us will fight and support in the name of freedoms cause for those who want it. And the citizens of Iraq desperately want to be free of tyranny and oppression. They are well on their way and now having that chance. They could be living under the next Hussein regime of Uday Hussein which would have been even more brutal, terrifying and oppressive. Every revolution for freedom is messy. Hussein violated 17 US resolutions. Either we enforce them, or we pull out of the UN as a useless organization. People like you just can't stand messiness nor wait with the required patience and commitment to win. The WOT is at least a 100 year war. Personally, I think it is a 300 year war. Wars used to last hundreds of years. You just can't handle it, admit it. Oh, and I did my part and served over 20 years of my life in the defense of freedom for this nation as did many.
340 posted on 11/07/2008 1:04:27 PM PST by FTL
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To: Mr. Know It All
Wow. Well, somehow I'm magically able to doubt something undoubtable. I guess I'm special.

No... you're just wrong. Not special.

What are you talking about? No one in either of these locations had anything whatsoever to do with the Taliban. This is just plain fiction.

Wrong

Iraq used to be a place where the was water and power and innocent people could walk the streets without getting blown to pieces. It used to be a place where you could be openly Christian without being murdered. I'm not saying that it was better under Saddam — no, that opinion comes from Iraqis themselves. Iraq is a mess. You have an awfully ignorant definition of "progress." Your baseless claims are propaganda. The truth on the ground is not as you describe it.

Hahahaha.. oh lord, please... stop. My ribs ache. Read any of the COUNTLESS stories on former Iraqis returning to help rebuild their fledgling democracy. Read the NY Times article on Dr. Tamimi who left Canada and a great life to become the mayor of Baghdad. Read about the Kurdish society in the north, where universities, shops and an airport now reside. These people were the largest group in the middle-east without a nation; I suspect even in your twisted logic you can find a place in there to approve of that "progress."

I don't really care what you believe. The American public doesn't buy this line anymore. Frankly, they don't really know what's going on either, but they just want it to stop. I'm saying it never should have started in the first place.

Finally, you admit that you don't care what I think... If that doesn't constitute an admission that you don't know what the hell you're talking about, nothing ever will. After all, you responded to me. If you didn't care, you could've just shut up. Fascinating

341 posted on 11/07/2008 1:04:40 PM PST by swordfishtrombone
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