Posted on 11/07/2008 10:40:35 AM PST by Traviswf
BUMP to 111
Abu Nidal was killed on the orders of Saddam Hussein in 2002. The Iraqis claim that he killed himself. Either way, he wasn’t a threat to anyone in 2003 when we invaded.
Try again.
Anything positive since the 90s in the region is because of OUR intervention one form or another... and here you are, lamenting the entire decision in the first place.Enforcing the No Fly Zone cannot be rationally compared with the invasion of Iraq which, by the way, has ruined a great deal of the progress fostered by the No Fly Zone. The No Fly Zone did not cost 10 billion dollars a month nor the life of a single American soldier and very few Iraqi lives (innocent or otherwise) either.
"How we got here" is precisely how we understand the "reality of today."
Precisely. To put it another way; If we don't understand "How we got here" it isn't possible to avoid going there again in the future.
Since Congress is the biggest decider of where we are going and by design Congress works by arguing things "arguing about how we got here" had better take place.
He probably believes 5 tons of uranium yellow cake was only kept around as a sandbox for the neighborhood kids.This was kept under IAEA seal, which was checked in December in 2002 and found to have been undisturbed. And despite the fact that Iraq already had yellowcake Uranium, we are supposed to believe that Hussen tried to buy more from Niger. And so on and so on and yeah, I know Hannity says the WMD were moved to Syria. Blah blah blah.
I've given up arguing with 9/11 Truthers and you guys aren't any different. You and the other Iraq Truthers obviously have an emotional need to hang on to long-debunked propaganda. Have fun with that. I'm done.
The guys who got shot at while patrolling that no fly zone would beg to differ with your opinion.
But what did Will do?
In the big picture, I agree with you and the others who responded to my post. But I for one am sick and tired of all of the nastiness. If they’re feeling magnanamous in victory and want to play nice, I don’t see the harm in trying to work with them.
Please understand this is not me saying that I want to join them or that I think that their ideology is anything but ruinous, but if they want to forge partnerships, I fail to see the harm of having our points of view represented.
Trust, but verify.
So where did it all go if it were truly undisturbed?
I didn’t post the quote you seem to be attributing to me. ???
Of course. I always forget what a veritable utopia the nation of Iraq was before the evil Americans came in and shot civilians, raped women, snubbed out any notion of free press and tossed dissenters by the thousands into unmarked mass graves. Oh wait, is that right? Please enlighten us with your pentrating insight, oh Wise One... considering the media's coverage, I've forgotten if Iraq was ruled with an iron fist by a despotic thug who was linked time and time again with the suicide bombers in Israel and the original WTC bombing crew, among many other egregious injustices against freedom and liberty in general
No one is discounting the lives lost on both sides, specifically our men & women
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants."
You have not responded to my post which called you out for a ridiculous mis-statement about “Curveball” so for you to compare me to the “9/11 Truthers” is especially despicable.
I asked you for substantiation on a post of yours that was patently false and you respond with vicious smears.
As for the “yellowcake” issues, you are showing once again that you think like the nutty leftists on KOS. Are you a troll?
The fact that the 500 tons of yellowcake uranium was under IAEA seal was a lot less significant than a lot of people seem to think. That only meant that IF Saddam continued to allow inspections then we could determine whether he had broken the seals to begin using that yellowcake in a renewed nuclear program. It did not mean he could not decide at any time to utilize all that yellowcake to make many weapons, only that we might know he had re-started his nuclear program IF the IAEA was able to inspect the seals (which was always a big “IF”).
So, it was always a big problem to allow all that yellowcake to remain in Iraq - the seals only meant that Saddam could not use it in secret, not that he could never use it.
Furthermore, the reason that Saddam’s regime might have wanted to obtain new uranium supplies in secret was that IF he wanted to re-start his nuclear program surreptitiously, then a new supply would be invaluable - he could buy time by allowing the IAEA to inspect the seals on the known supply, while running a secret program, and ignorant trolls like you would never be the wiser (nor would all the govts. that wanted to bury their heads in the sand).....
SO, can you grasp it now? It’s not an either/or..... the 500 tons of yellowcake known to be under seal in Iraq would have been invaluable to a re-started nuclear program at any time that Saddam was willing to openly flout the IAEA..... AND Saddam had strong reason to seek a new, secret supply so long as he cared to maintain the illusion that he did not have a nuclear weapons program.
You are far less informed than you imagine, and your insults only further reveal your ignorance.
Ignorance is curable friend stupidity is forever. Your choice.
My bad - that wasn’t intended for you - latent click syndrome? Sorry.
That's for sure. Not one post with substance.
Think nothing of it. It was merely a flesh wound.
LOL! I love the scene. Sorry for the misfire.
If being bipartisan is important to you then you have made a big mistake voting for Obama. He has done nothing in his years in the senate (state, US) to indicated he has the willingness or ability to be bipartisan. Contrast that with McCain and his reputation of being bipartisan (much to the displeasure of posters here) on many occasions in his history.
precisely so...Limbaugh is right, defeat liberals and then if we want to, sit them on the couch and figure out what makes them tick!
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