Posted on 11/05/2008 5:25:47 AM PST by VaBthang4
Now we get to endure all of the nonsense from the Libertarians.
They will explain how conservatives did this wrong, did that wrong etc, etc. They'll subtly and sometimes boldly undermine Conservative principles under the guise of bringing forth common understanding.
All while offering up their idiotic solutions cloaked in faux reason.
Dismiss them as quickly as you would the most ardent liberal...because in the end, their perspectives spring from the same well; Anomia.
Good post. Obviously (to some of us), when you reward bad behavior, you get more of the same.
Also, when voters are presented a choice of Socialism and Socialism-lite, they aren’t going for the lite. Let’s lick our wounds and figure out how to stop the Obamination!
Ideally, yes. But that presumes a sort of equality that just isn't natural.
The young have the energy to "do" while all most of us can manage is to "direct" what is to be done. That screws things up with the balance of power right there.
And I can tell you from experience that even at my age, that it is hard not to break into "when I was your age" stories to those younger than me.
We keep talking about Ronald Reagan like the Reagan years were "just yesterday", without stopping to think that we might as well be talking about Abraham Lincoln to someone bamahead's age!
I don’t live in Idaho so can’t say for sure, but my guess is since McCain was the Republican nominee, many libertarians and Republicans skipped voting, just like in the rest of the country.
I hope so, but I doubt it. Too much money and time invested in that power structure for them to just pick up their toys and go home -- there are those just like Dole & McCain waiting in line to take their place.
Think about it - who's left? All the old establishment types have either retired from or been diselected from the Senate. McCain lost and won't be running again. There's really no "names" in the Senate who can be put up by the Washington establishment to run. You think anybody is seriously looking at Mitch McConnell for President?
lol, First of all libertarians are not lackeys of the Republican party that you can order around. We will vote for whoever we damn well please, so you might as well get used to it and quit whining.
Secondly, I would say that it is the socialist wing of the Republican party, along with the Democrats of course, that is a threat to our liberty. If they hadn't nominated a socialist moron like McCain to the head of the ticket, enough Republicans would have shown up to elect all sorts of other Republicans into office without any help from libertarians.
Republicans lost big because of disappointment with the Republican party. That disenchantment came not just from libertarians but also from Republicans, so go ahead and blame libertarians if it makes you feel better, but it's not our fault that the Republican party $ucks right now.
Laugh all you want. the LP destroyed good pro-freedom candidates in our local area. THE LP DELIVERED SEATS TO SOCIALISTS. Wake up from your dream and smell the effing coffee - libertarians like you were played and the liberal Democrat machine is laughing all they way to majority power, where they will take away your and my tax money and freedom.
That’s not the worst part: The worst part is the Libertarian Party here delivered races to Democrats DELIBERATELY, it was their EXPLICIT agenda, and you seem to be completely dense that you cant even read what I wrote.
“3. Gerald Daugherty lost his re-election bid for County Commissioner in Travis County. Gerald is the only County Commissioner who consistently voted for tax and budget cuts in Travis County. We will miss him dearly.”
Who killed him? An LP candidate name Wes Benedist who made it his mission to destroy Daugherty, a pro-taxpayer conservative Republican. Wes got 5% in a race where the margin of difference between Dem and Rep was 2%. Wes also said his goal was to destroy the local Republican party - note, NOT the local Democrats - who raise ALL the taxes and demand MORE in bonds and who actually RUN the county with 53 out of 54 seats ... no, not them, he’s after the rump GOP party that is barely hanging on ... WHY!?!? Who’s paid him off to do the dirty work of the Democrats!?!?
For all I know the Texas Democrats have bought and paid the LP to pull these stunts, for it is a gift for the liberal Democrats.
Not just this race but many other races:
http://travismonitor.blogspot.com/2008/07/libertarian-party-aspiring-to-be.html
“Libertarians are targeting the Central Texas races to replace retiring Reps. Mike Krusee in Williamson County”
THE ELECTION RESULTS ARE IN. The libertarian got more than the margin of difference in this district and managed to deliver it for the Democrat, by peeling off several percent of the taxpayer low-Government vote from a solid pro-taxpayer low-Government Republican non-incumbent.
I am not berating the small l libertarians, I am attacking the Libertarian Party, which has been in cahoots with the Texas Democrats and liberals to destroy the Republican advantage in Texas.
It is pathetic and completely irresponsible on your part not to admit or own up to the responsibility on the part of the Libertarian Party in delivering this race to the left-wing liberal Democrat, a bigtime Obama-type.
“We will vote for whoever we damn well please, so you might as well get used to it and quit whining.”
Well we all vote what we will, but if you vote for Libertarian Party hacks and deliver elections to Democrats, I am calling you a shill and a moron for helping to election socialist Democrats. And if you think these good conservative Republicans are ‘just as bad’ or you think bashing them or GOP, it only shows your utter ignorance of these good particular candidates.
BTW Your bashing of Republicans is as useless as tits on boar. Pelosi was the speaker for the last 2 years - give HER some crap for a change! You got socialists elected. Well done. I hope you’re happy, cause I am not happy people like the ONLY taxpayer-friendly guy in our local Government was stabbed in the back by the Libertarian Party.
“go ahead and blame libertarians if it makes you feel better” I say it because it is the TRUTH! Again, I blame the Libertarian Party, which DELIBERATELY TARGETTED GOOD CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICANS FOR DEFEAT AND DELIBERATELY STRATEGIZED TO ELECT LIBERAL DEMOCRATS! I dont blame small-l libertarians except for being shills and fools for voting for this party, probably not knowing the damage they are inflicting on the cause of freedom.
If I sound mad, it’s because I am. There is stupid and there is the mind-blowing stupidity of lining up a circular firing squad and destroying your own. The LP is the second-most dangerous anti-liberty organization in America, after the ACLU. The LP is stupid, arrogant and counterproductive beyond belief.
FOR SHAME!
You are right when I think about it.
Before I checked, I thought that Elizabeth Dole might have been young enough for another round, but she's not -- and even she just got tossed out of her Senate seat by a Democratic newcomer.
I am speaking specifically about the Libertarian Party (of Texas), who had a deliberate plan to destroy good pro-taxpayer conservative Republicans and deliver seats to liberal Democrats in close elections.
Details about their plans were uncovered early in the election cycle:
http://travismonitor.blogspot.com/2008/07/libertarian-party-aspiring-to-be.html
The Libertarian Party, by pushing candidates in specific races were the Democrats ‘needed help’ to win - DELIVERED SEATS FOR SOCIALISTS.
I dont know how much the Texas Democrats paid the Texas LP to do what they did, or whether this was just stupidity on the part of the LP making a point, but I am beside myself that people on the side of freedom got shilled into supporting the LP, which in the end did nothing but help the Democrats.
You’ve explained nothing. get the data to back your claim. Was turnout lower? Nope.
Did McCain lose ID-1? Why dont you check the vote numbers and see.
Last week, I got three emails from the Ron Paul camp telling me to "VOTE FOR McCLINTOCK!" and so did everyone who was in McClintock's district and gave a dime to Ron Paul.
Now if McClintock wins by such a small edge, are you going to give credit where credit is due and admit Ron Paul helped him?
Or are you just looking for someone to kick after McCain lost and libertarians looked like the easiest target?
Fair enough. I really don't know enough about Texas Libertarians to comment. Sorry, just thought that it was a blanket indictment of all small "l", libertarianism.
“They don’t need to “be shown the door”, but they do need to back off and retire from running things.
“I watched exactly the same thing happen at my church parish — the older ones just would not let go of power and let the next generation take over. When I was 35 and a corporate executive, they still kept calling me “a kid” (ie “not to be trusted”). Finally, they lost the reins only when enough of them started dying off, but not before they had driven the majority of the next generation away — even their own kids. It has taken us years to try and regain the huge amount of ground that they lost just because they wouldn’t support us and let go. “
Check out the NFRA.
http://www.gopwing.org/
The head of that group, Rod Martin, made the EXACT SAME POINT you made in a speech about what was the problem in the party. The blue-haired ladies.
NFRA is about taking the party back to having a conservative spine, and Rod’s point is that its the little old ladies who are status quo power oriented who are the real roadblock to advancing the agenda.
Btw, great piece here - Black dog Republicans:
http://www.gopwing.org/babbin-black-dog-republicans/
Conservatives have principles? Who knew?
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“Last week, I got three emails from the Ron Paul camp telling me to “VOTE FOR McCLINTOCK!” and so did everyone who was in McClintock’s district and gave a dime to Ron Paul.
Now if McClintock wins by such a small edge, are you going to give credit where credit is due and admit Ron Paul helped him? “
Of course. last time I checked, Ron Paul was and is a Republican Party member, not a Libertarian Party member. As a freedom-liberty Republican, I want all the liberty-oriented conservatives in the GOP tent, with me, Ron Paul and others like us. Its unity like this which wins elections. Its division that delivers elections to the socialists.
Note: I am not criticizing small-l libertarians. I am specifically criticizing the Libertarian Party and their deliberate strategy to defeat Texas conservatives and elect socialist Democrats.
“Or are you just looking for someone to kick after McCain lost and libertarians looked like the easiest target?” What a foolish question. I am not even mentioned McCain’s race on this thread and we all know 3rd parties had zero factor on the race and a dozen more important factors.
I posted this on a defunct thread. It really applies here also:
I have two college-aged sons, both of whom are registered Libertarian, and wrote in for Ron Paul (no, I’m not in a battleground state)
I am also a poll worker, and noticed that the vast majority of young male voters that came to vote yesterday were unaffiliated.
It seems that the Republican Party could do something over the next 4-8 years to capture these independent (in the literal sense) and individualistic voters. If my sons are any example, they are well to the right of the Republicans on fiscal issues. They also hate political correctness, and their college profs drive them crazy. Think “South Park Republican”. There ARE young people who did not drink the Obama Kool-aid. They just didn’t like McCain either.
As a freedom-liberty Republican, I want all the liberty-oriented conservatives in the GOP tent, with me, Ron Paul and others like us.
Again, my apologies. Initially, I misunderstood you.
http://www.gopwing.org/ The head of that group, Rod Martin, made the EXACT SAME POINT you made in a speech about what was the problem in the party. The blue-haired ladies.
Actually, it's usually easier to change the minds of the "blue haired ladies" than it is of "the blue haired guys" -- the old ladies will often do 15 mph in the right lane when you want her to get out off the road. But the old men will do 15mph in the LEFT lane, and then look smuggle satisfied that they are in front of you, holding you back!
NFRA is about taking the party back to having a conservative spine, and Rod’s point is that its the little old ladies who are status quo power oriented who are the real roadblock to advancing the agenda.
Great! "Btw, great piece here - Black dog Republicans: http://www.gopwing.org/babbin-black-dog-republicans/"
I read it and agree that you can't always have the perfect candidate to vote for, but at what point does it become routine to be accepting the unacceptable? To choose the lesser of evils, so that all you keep getting is evil? It's a hard choice.
From your mouth to God's ear!
Kids that age are naturally rebellious to "the status quo". We need to creatively capture that and use it, when Democrats are "the status quo"!
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