Second student steps forward at hearing (Creationist teacher who "branded" kids with a cross)

Mount Vernon News ^ | October 30, 2008 | Pamela Schehl

[tacticalogic]

According to the article Mr. Freshwater has made statments with regard to scientific theories that are flat out wrong, and that any good science teach should know better than to make.

[tacticalogic]

Sure. Specifically those reviews that one would have a hard time telling if they were from the establishment scientific community vs. those over at dissent from darwin.org

Do you want to see them bad enough to go find them?

[tpanther]

Do you want to see them bad enough to go find them?

LOL...I accpet your surrender, as we both know there's just no such thing.

[tpanther]

...any good science teach should know better than to make.

A "good" science teacher or NEA indoctrinated one? I wonder if you're truly capable of seeing the difference.

[tacticalogic]

LOL...I accpet your surrender, as we both know there's just no such thing.

If you knew there was no such thing without even looking that explains why you've never seen it.

[tacticalogic]

A "good" science teacher or NEA indoctrinated one? I wonder if you're truly capable of seeing the difference.

I can only go by what's it the article. Do you know for a fact Mr. Freshwater doesn't belong to the NEA?

[MrB]

Hadn’t thought of that angle.

The SH’s are more concerned about the symbol than the burning.

Shows where their hearts are.

[tpanther]

If you knew there was no such thing without even looking that explains why you've never seen it.

I'm not convinced. My hypothesis is that they exist, but what I think one would find is that since the NEA and liberal hijacking of schools, this has diminished precipitously over time, to the point I'm not sure such a thing exists today.

[tacticalogic]

I'm not convinced.

Then why would you say you know?

[tacticalogic]

My hypothesis is that they exist, but what I think one would find is that since the NEA and liberal hijacking of schools, this has diminished precipitously over time, to the point I'm not sure such a thing exists today.

My hypothesis is that the standards for public school teachers have gotten so abysmal that it's entirely possible Mr. Freshwater was "indoctrinated", and he's just too dense to get it right.

[tpanther]

I can only go by what's it the article. Do you know for a fact Mr. Freshwater doesn't belong to the NEA?

No, just like no one can tell for a fact he "branded" a cross onto a kids arm, not to mention taught or didn't teach this or that.

But I see you were pretty quick to assume he wasn't "qualified". Based on the article, of course.

[tpanther]

Then why would you say you know?

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I can freely say I know without being fully convinced, because I’m not programmed into a cult.

If I saw some evidence I’d be open to it. I haven’t, so until I do...I know what I know.

[tpanther]

My hypothesis is that the standards for public school teachers have gotten so abysmal that it's entirely possible Mr. Freshwater was "indoctrinated", and he's just too dense to get it right.

It's hard to argue that the godless liberal NEA types have done anything other than an abysmal job of it.

[tacticalogic]

I can freely say I know without being fully convinced, because I’m not programmed into a cult.

You can say whatever you want, but veracity counts.

If I saw some evidence I’d be open to it. I haven’t, so until I do...I know what I know.

But you say you would like to see this evidence, yet make no discernible effort to find it.

I don't get it. You're comfortable saying you "know" something is true based not on any evidence that it is, but on your personal lack of knowlege that it isn't.

At the same time you'll rail about evolution not being explicitly qualified as "just a theory" any time it's mentioned, because there isn't absolute proof that it is indeed true.

[tacticalogic]

But I see you were pretty quick to assume he wasn't "qualified". Based on the article, of course.

I said that according to the article he made statements that indicate he's not. It's also possible the article is wrong. You don't seem to have any problem assuming that the details of the article that agree with your opinion are accurate.

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It's hard to argue that the godless liberal NEA types have done anything other than an abysmal job of it.

This guy is a public school teacher. Is he a product of that culture or not?

Does being a Creationist exempt him from criticism about the accuracy of what he's teaching the students?

[tpanther]

“Veracity counts”, sheesh Louise the irony!

Let us know when you might be able to convince anyone that there’s been honest “peer review” and how one could tell between the establishment and dissentfromdarwin scientists if their name wasn’t attached to their peer reviews.

[tpanther]

You don't seem to have any problem assuming that the details of the article that agree with your opinion are accurate.

Kettle met pot.

[tpanther]

You don't seem to have any problem assuming that the details of the article that agree with your opinion are accurate.

Kettle meet pot.

[tacticalogic]

Let us know when you might be able to convince anyone that there’s been honest “peer review” and how one could tell between the establishment and dissentfromdarwin scientists if their name wasn’t attached to their peer reviews.

You can't convince anyone of something they don't want to know. If you wanted to know, you'd have made some attempt to find out.

You say you'd like to see this peer review. You haven't looked for it, because you know it doesn't exist. You know it doesn't exist because you've never seen it.