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To: eaglegso

19 is a full size weapon and I would not want for CCW.

Get a glock model 23 or 30.

23 is med size 40 s&w
30 is med size 45

The 23 is hands down a great weapon that is easy to conceal especially with an ultimate conceal carry holster.


6 posted on 10/11/2008 7:52:37 PM PDT by Shaker_Cuda
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To: Shaker_Cuda

What do you think about the lack of a safety on the Glock? Is that an issue in your opinion?


8 posted on 10/11/2008 7:56:09 PM PDT by eaglegso (She's a Hottie!)
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To: Shaker_Cuda

The GLOCK 19 is the exact same size handgun as the 23, just different caliber. The GLOCK 30 is a bit bigger in the width area.


23 posted on 10/11/2008 8:03:30 PM PDT by Double Tap
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To: Shaker_Cuda
19 is a full size weapon and I would not want for CCW.

It is NOT "full size." You're thinking of the Glock 17. The 19 is often carried by cops as an off duty gun because they can use the same mags as the 17 for a +2 reload.

Get a glock model 23 or 30.

Speaking as an NRA Instructor with 20+ years experience, I don't recommend the M23 for a novice as a gun for CCW. It has a nasty barrel whip in the recoil and in practice may cause an intense case of "flinch" before enough rounds have been put down range in order to build the appropriate muscle memory when it comes to that all important flash sight picture and other techniques. Also the ammo, both defensive and ball for practice is a LOT more expensive than the 9mm. I owned several types of the Combat Tupperware as it is affectionately called: I've had a Model 21 (45ACP), a 30 (compact 45ACP) 23 (40S&W) and a 27 which is the subcompact 40. I loved them all and carried them all concealed, even the MONSTER Model 21. I sold my Glock collection for just one reason: The ergonomics are simply too "blocky" for my smallish hand size.

I carried a 45 for years and still own three. My two 1911s are pretty much safe queens for my own reasons. I still carry my Sig P245 for fun and nostalgia sometimes.

Yet a couple of years ago I did some personal research with friends of mine, mostly recently retired special ops folks. I discovered that most of the SEALs swear by the Sig P226 9mm and a lot of folks also like H&K handguns. So I started checking and discovered that leaving the issue of cross sectional density aside (and it's place in a "stopping power" argument), bullet technology has evolved to the point that if you put the shot where it counts both calibers (9 and 45) will do an equal job. The plus side is the cost of the rounds, availability and capacity swung me to the other side. Also as I age I find I like the lessened recoil that allows me to stay much more accurate and faster in the followups. Consequently my primary carry guns are now a Sig P226 in 9mm and an H&K P30 in 9mm. I carry them in the hot and sultry South Florida heat under a native Guyabeara shirt (looks like a civilian jungle fatigue top) in a CROSSBREED HOLSTER (Super-Tuck Deluxe model) in perfect and totally concealed comfort. Just today I spent the day in the next county up with my wife and 27 year old daughter inspecting her new apartment and having an awesome lunch in the beachfront district. Nobody "made" me and I was so comfortable I came home and fell asleep, still wearing it in my "DAD'S Chair" in front of the TV.

The 23 is hands down a great weapon that is easy to conceal especially with an ultimate conceal carry holster.

If you're very experienced, that's fine it's your call. But for a novice, I say no. You want bigger, a 45 is a better choice since it's a softer and more gentle recoil and the 9mm is better IMHO for all the reasons I've stated above. Just my .02.

82 posted on 10/12/2008 8:41:14 PM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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