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After Milwaukee
The American ^ | September 24, 2008 | Frederick M. Hess

Posted on 09/25/2008 5:30:55 PM PDT by Amelia

Nearly two decades have passed since the enactment of the landmark Milwaukee Parental Choice Program by the Wisconsin legislature. The program and its many supporters had hoped this experiment in school choice would lead the way in transforming American schools. But it is by now clear that aggressive reforms to bring market principles to American education have failed to live up to their billing. It is time to find out two things: What happened? And what comes next?

(Excerpt) Read more at american.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Education; Society
KEYWORDS: charters; education; schoolchoice
A semi-long article, and despite the first paragraph, it's not really anti-choice, but argues that the way we've implemented choice so far has been a failure, and suggests possible improvements. I would recommend reading it all the way through.
1 posted on 09/25/2008 5:30:56 PM PDT by Amelia
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To: Gabz; SoftballMominVA; abclily; aberaussie; albertp; AliVeritas; Amelia; A_perfect_lady; ...

Public Education Ping

This list is for intellectual discussion of articles and issues related to public education (including charter schools) from the preschool to university level. Items more appropriately placed on the “Naughty Teacher” list, “Another reason to Homeschool” list, or of a general public-school-bashing nature will not be pinged. If you would like to be on or off this list, please freepmail Amelia, Gabz, Shag377, or SoftballMominVa
2 posted on 09/25/2008 5:32:08 PM PDT by Amelia
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To: Amelia

Thanks for the post and ping. I have printed it and will savor it over my dinner of organic cauliflower (which beats the heck out of inorganic cauliflower).


3 posted on 09/25/2008 5:52:29 PM PDT by caseinpoint (Don't get thickly involved in thin things)
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To: Amelia

Thank you very much for giving me a ping.


4 posted on 09/25/2008 6:06:36 PM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are NOT stupid)
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To: Amelia
**WOAH**

From the article.......The two most recent studies show that, since the implementation of the voucher program, reading scores across all Milwaukee schools are falling.

That's a bold statement

5 posted on 09/25/2008 6:31:05 PM PDT by SoftballMominVA
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A bunch of bold statements in there. For example:

The U.S. Department of Education’s National Center for Education Statistics has compared the performance of students in district and charter schools, reporting, “After adjusting for student characteristics, charter school mean scores in reading and mathematics were lower, on average, than those for public noncharter schools.” While there is reason to be quite cautious about inferring policy implications from such research—because it cannot determine how much students are actually learning during the school year and because charters spend less than do district schools—the results are hardly compelling. Stig Leschly, executive director of the Newark Charter School Fund, has observed that only about 200 of the thousands of existing charter schools “really close the achievement gap.”

He also is skeptical of several other studies.

6 posted on 09/25/2008 6:44:05 PM PDT by Amelia
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Y’all are acting surprised that this is not working. Okay, maybe not.:)

This was a good read and a nice piece of apologetic literature about the perceived benefits of vouchers and charters. Not to say that these programs are flawed, but you can’t force anyone to learn.


7 posted on 09/26/2008 3:16:00 AM PDT by shag377 (Illegitimis nil carborundum sunt!)
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To: Amelia

“After adjusting for student characteristics,
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Adjusting for characteristics????

Whoa! Plenty of opportunity for mischief there!


8 posted on 09/26/2008 9:11:41 AM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are NOT stupid)
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To: wintertime
Adjusting for characteristics???? Whoa! Plenty of opportunity for mischief there!

Not really.

The student characteristics they used were gender, socioeconomic status (as measured by eligibility for free or reduced lunches), race/ethnicity, whether the students had disabilities (including learning disabilities, retardation, etc.), and whether the student spoke English well or was just learning the language.

I believe they also adjusted for whether the school was rural or urban, which state it was in (since different states have different standards and differing curricula), experience of the teacher, etc.

You can read the executive summary of the report here.

9 posted on 09/26/2008 1:59:09 PM PDT by Amelia
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By the way, the gold standard for comparing voucher or charter school performance is to compare the achievement of those who were accepted with those who weren't. Private, voucher, and charters win that one on average.

Also the thrust of the article was that government schools didn't improve by having vouchers. Well?....Why would they? Sclerosis is the hallmark of our unionized, collectivist, government schools.

And....The article complains that the growth of charters and vouchers has been glacially slow. Duh! When there are caps on vouchers and charters what would one expect???? The long waiting lists for vouchers and charters would indicate that the market exists, it is the government that is artificially retarding its growth.

That some voucher and charter schools have been completely shut down is a testament to the success of the private market. It is rare for a failing government school to be shut down, its doors shuttered, and a closed sign posted on its door. At best “closing” down a failing government school, means keeping the same egg carton and rearranging the same unionized eggs.

The comment about Sol Stern is a a distortion. Yes, he had hoped that vouchers would improve government schools. They haven't. Since we are stuck with collectivist government schools he is advocating an improvement in the curriculum. On this point, I agree with him. That does not mean that we should continue with collectivism.

Finally, the parent satisfaction with voucher, tax credit, and charter schools is very high. The waiting lists ( on average) are enormous. Legislators will not ignore their pleas. Only a few years ago the word “voucher” had to be defined for the average citizen. Today there are voucher bills working their way through the congresses of states across the nation. The cracks in the collectivist government school citadel grow daily.

Those defending compulsory attendance at government schools will lose this, regardless of how many massaged studies they produce.

Why?

Answer: Good ideas win. Why? Because people are not stupid. Collectivist government run monopoly schools are a bad idea. Freedom is a good idea.

Although not related to this specific article the following likely applies.

http://www.edspresso.com/2006/07/nces_study_friedman_foundation.htm

NCES Study: Friedman Foundation Responds

On July 14, the U.S. Department of Education released a study that the teachers’ unions are holding up as evidence that public schools are better than private schools. The study doesn’t actually show this, and is riddled with methodological flaws anyway. If you tell the average American that public schools are better than private schools, she’s likely to respond, “What have you been smoking?” In this case, the evidence shows that the average American is right.

The study tells us nothing whatsoever about the relative quality of public and private schools

It takes raw test scores from isolated years and applies statistical controls for demographic factors like race, income, and disabilities. While the raw scores are higher in private schools, once you apply the statistical controls, public school students actually have similar or even higher scores. The teachers’ unions are rushing to claim that this shows public schools are better than private schools. In fact, as the study itself clearly says, these data show nothing of the kind.

As every education researcher knows, single-year snapshots of test scores reflect student quality much more than school quality. The only real way to get at school quality is to examine year-to-year changes in test scores. A student whose test scores are high is probably just a good student; it’s the student whose test scores are rising who shows the quality of his school. A much more likely explanation for these data is that students who enter private schools tend to have test scores a little lower than other students of the same race and socioeconomic status. That sounds counterintuitive, because we usually think of private school students as privileged. But they are only privileged in terms of their demographic status – which this study controls for. It makes perfect sense that it’s the low performers within each racial and socioeconomic group whose parents will make the sacrifices necessary to put them in private schools. They’re the ones who need it the most.

But don’t take our word for it. The study itself says the same thing – in not one but two big sections labeled “Cautions in Interpretation,” the study forthrightly states that these data tell us nothing whatsoever about the relative quality of public and private schools. The teachers’ unions are just blowing smoke, as always.

The study is shot through with other methodological flaws

Paul Peterson of Harvard University, examining the study’s data, has discovered that the study only produces a positive finding for public schools because it uses the wrong variable to measure Limited English Proficient students. When the correct variable is substituted, the results are positive for private schools. He also points out that public schools are much more likely to classify students as disabled (about 13% versus about 3%). Peterson doesn’t say it, but the main reason for this is that public schools get bigger budgets when they slap the “disabled” label on a child, a perverse incentive that private schools don’t have. If this difference isn’t accounted for, any attempt to compare public and private schools is invalid. Peterson will release his analysis at the annual American Political Science Association meeting this fall.

Andrew Coulson of the Cato Institute has also pointed out that the study controls for variables that are “endogenous,” meaning that they are systematically related to the study’s variable of interest, school sector (that is, public versus private schools). School size is systematically related to school sector, and absentee rates probably are as well, but the study controls for them. “Don’t control for endogenous variables” is straight out of Social Science 101.

A much larger body of much better studies finds that, yes, private schools are better

Those who claim this study as evidence that public schools do better are standing against an enormous scientific consensus. If the available research shows anything, it shows that private schools provide a better education than public schools. The consensus among empirical studies on this issue is as strong as on any social policy question. If social science tells us anything at all, it tells us that private schools do better.

While this study’s method of looking at single-year snapshots can’t even examine whether there’s a causal relationship between school sector (public or private) and test scores, it just happens that there’s a large body of very high-quality research that does allow us to evaluate this connection, and it overwhelmingly finds that private schools do better. The most convincing evidence comes from seven studies using “random assignment,” the gold standard for scientific method. In all seven studies, students who won a random lottery to use a school voucher at a private school had significantly greater test score gains than similar students who lost the lottery and stayed in public schools. Numerous studies using other methods have also produced a strong consensus in favor of this finding.

Greg Forster, Ph.D. is a senior fellow and director of research with the Milton and Rose D. Friedman Foundation.

10 posted on 09/26/2008 2:51:55 PM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are NOT stupid)
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Well?....Why would they? Sclerosis is the hallmark of our unionized, collectivist, government schools.

I think that is actually one of the major points the author is trying to make.

11 posted on 09/26/2008 5:00:47 PM PDT by Amelia
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