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Wheels off the Bus!?! The Financial Meltdown! What to do...?
Finance Wizards FreeRepublic ^ | 9/17/08 | JD Outrider

Posted on 09/17/2008 3:26:55 PM PDT by JDoutrider

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To: JDoutrider
JD, you've read my essays on our early history with gold and our fiat currencies going back to Alexander Hamilton. Bottom line: We're in the Crash Phase of the Second Great Depression. By the time it bottoms, we will have the choice of going back to some kind of hard money standard -- perhaps some mixture of gold and oil -- or rolling out the Amero.

Quite frankly, I believe we are going to witness the end of the world as we have known it since 1933.

41 posted on 09/17/2008 8:43:56 PM PDT by Publius (Change is not a destination, and hope is not a strategy.)
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To: Cyber Liberty
"I don’t know about you, but I’m going to start running and screaming with my arms flailing."

I tried that, it didn't help.
I did get some relief last night by playing with some of my Krugerrands though.

42 posted on 09/17/2008 8:44:35 PM PDT by blam
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To: Justa
LOL!

Nailed it my FRiend!

43 posted on 09/17/2008 9:35:40 PM PDT by JDoutrider (Pray for our side!)
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To: Publius

Concur...

I have my Family prepared, and getting ready for a rough couple of years, hopefully we can salvage what’s left by then.


44 posted on 09/17/2008 9:39:33 PM PDT by JDoutrider (Pray for our side!)
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To: JDoutrider

Invest extra cash in a broad-based stock mutual fund as soon as possible, and then email me in six months and thank me for the sage advice.


45 posted on 09/17/2008 9:45:59 PM PDT by redfog
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To: kbennkc
I will benefit from this down period because I intend to buy , buy , buy .

Just waiting to see where the bottom is aye? LOL.

Good for you. Take it all off the leftist suckers who believe Obama's bull. LOL.

46 posted on 09/17/2008 9:49:21 PM PDT by Earthdweller (Socialism makes you feel better about oppressing people.....)
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To: Publius; B-Chan; SteveAustin; Travis McGee; ex-snook; GoSarah; pabianice; martin_fierro; ...
Sorry to post and run, but had to go out on the sound and pull my crab pots before dark and kill a Silver!

First of all, it gives me pleasure to still see the optimism out there in FReeperland! I will pass this thread to my Friend and let him see what ya'll put out here.

I failed to mention that he hasn't followed through on anything yet as we just had this conversation this morning. I understand his situation, and just told him what my better half and I did... all this is great food for thought for him!

My situation is like some of yours. Retired, did well in life and have never bought into the concept that what you have is what you are... I place comfort and Happiness above all that nonsense. I consider myself the richest man on the planet! Faith, Family, Well armed,and prepared for times like these, and living in a Land of Freedom for which I have fought and bled for...

I truly place the blame for today's financial situation at the feet of the Democrat party, the threads here at FR are full of the whys whens of how they have brought this Land that I love to the precipice... ALL of this could have been nipped in the bud were it not for the communist, socialist, marxist agenda of that party! We have let our children and Country down by not being vigilant enough!

Not a goldbug here, though I did buy in moderately mid nineties.

Finally, (yes I hear the applause LOL!), by going all cash does NOT mean giving up! I see it as being prudent, a "pulling in of the horns" action. From my view I don't see a tamped down bottom yet, in fact I believe we won't see a bottom until Palin/McCain take office, and possibly not for two years after that before we can let spinnaker unfurl and fly us out of these rough waters. That is if the rest of the world can get out of their OWN vipers nest... and as Publius has stated, we may not return to that world that is collapsing ever again.

47 posted on 09/17/2008 9:51:36 PM PDT by JDoutrider (Pray for our side!)
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To: Justa
-clear the brush in front of the gun ports and on the berms weekly;

-straighten the sector stakes and test the detonators daily

I was doing those anyway (I have a teenage daughter.)

Cheers!

48 posted on 09/17/2008 10:02:39 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: JDoutrider

In the end, real property is all that counts. Money is only a symbol. You can’t eat money. Only food satisfies hunger. Money won’t keep the rain off your head. A house will.

Simple, frugal living is better anyway. The rich people that I know (and I know a few, some of whom are names most people would recognize) by and large do not spend their money on the glamorous life, choosing instead to live understated lifestyles and invest their money. Only pimps, gangsters, and the nouveaux riches feel the need to flaunt their wealth.

Besides, if and when a rational market returns I can always sell out and invest my equity. Until then, I have a comfortable and affordable place to shelter from the storm. As long as my family is healthy, clean, and well-fed, I’m as rich as I care to be.


49 posted on 09/17/2008 10:03:37 PM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: SteveAustin
"We could have a Dow that still needs to drop into that 7800 range before things can start up again"

I have also heard about that level being reached before "atonement"...

50 posted on 09/17/2008 10:22:20 PM PDT by JDoutrider (Pray for our side!)
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To: B-Chan
Well stated B-Chan.

That is my experience as well with some old money folks. I thank the Good Lord above that my home and properties are paid off in this situation. Just wish the property taxes would become finis as well!

Like THAT'S going to happen!

51 posted on 09/17/2008 10:30:24 PM PDT by JDoutrider (Pray for our side!)
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To: JDoutrider

I’ll bet you remember those days too.


52 posted on 09/18/2008 4:21:27 AM PDT by Jacquerie (There is no right to humiliate Old Glory.)
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To: Jacquerie
Glad to see your still talking to me Jacquerie!

Which days are those you refer to?

53 posted on 09/18/2008 6:35:15 AM PDT by JDoutrider (Pray for our side!)
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To: JDoutrider
Cash today is just a collectible tomorrow. Never forget that.

It's not gold, it's not silver. It's not redeemable. Just a collectible and trade-able thing like a baseball card. You do not set the value. That's the problem. Those who DO set the value are acting in a very novel fashion these days. Same thing done in a publicly traded stock would be called dilution. That's why at least one Money Market fund reduced it's Net Asset Value from $1 to short of a full dollar -- 97 cents. More will come to do so, almost surely.

That's money markets. Short term bills of credit, close to cash. But not cash. Still for cash -- worst case -- and one almost impossible to ever happen here -- look to the Wiemar wheelbarrows of cash to buy a loaf of bread, or the billion dollar bill cash in ex-Rhodesia, now the feral state of Zimbabwe.

The old saw never keep all you eggs in one basket still applies. Even in these strange chaotic days.

54 posted on 09/18/2008 6:54:00 AM PDT by bvw
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To: bvw
"The old saw never keep all you eggs in one basket still applies. Even in these strange chaotic days."

How right you are!

When I mention "all cash" that means we pulled the pin on our investments in the stock market et al... We (my Bride and I) still hold land. We have also invested in our own infrastructure guaranteeing survivability no matter what comes down the pike...

55 posted on 09/18/2008 7:06:25 AM PDT by JDoutrider (Pray for our side!)
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To: JDoutrider

Like what you posted but to put all the blame on the Democrats is a stretch. Now I wonder if the country would be in this shape if Gore was elected. I am pretty sure it would not if Buchanan was elected.


56 posted on 09/18/2008 9:05:12 AM PDT by ex-snook ("But above all things, truth beareth away the victory.")
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To: JDoutrider

When the market started jumping up and down like a kid wioth his pants on fire is when I backed out of it. There’s no reason to go through the emotional jumps the market was taking. I decided that keeping what I have was more sensible than trying to make more. Probably in January I’ll start buying again.


57 posted on 09/18/2008 11:58:12 AM PDT by B4Ranch ("Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you"--John Steinbeck)
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To: ccmay
>Great fortunes will be made by those who keep their heads, stay liquid, and look for bargains.

I had to chuckle when I read your post. The hold until you're broke crowd hasn't said a peep about your stay liquid, comment.

Yes, stay liquid, does refer to holding cash or treasuries.

58 posted on 09/18/2008 12:22:54 PM PDT by B4Ranch ("Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you"--John Steinbeck)
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To: ex-snook

There is enough blame to go all the way around quite a few times.


59 posted on 09/18/2008 12:23:57 PM PDT by B4Ranch ("Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you"--John Steinbeck)
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To: GoSarah
Don't let emotions dictate decisions. The only rational decision is to stay the course.

Or perhaps, get aggressive. I'm moving in hard. There are so many bargains right now, it's raining dividends. 20% annual on large cap preferred coupons? Yeah, I'm pawning the gold teeth to get my hands on those.

60 posted on 10/10/2008 9:13:25 AM PDT by Dr.Deth
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