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1 posted on 09/11/2008 11:58:04 PM PDT by Calculus_of_Consent
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To: Calculus_of_Consent

Wow, the internet’s broken. It took a month for your post to get through!


2 posted on 09/12/2008 12:00:26 AM PDT by Free Descendant (Palin Power!)
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To: Calculus_of_Consent

I don’t like McCain’s stand on a lot of things, but I do like Palin. I despise Obama and everything he stands for. I *would* walk on broken glass to vote the McCain/Palin ticket this year. 6 months ago, I never would have thought I’d say that about voting for McCain.


3 posted on 09/12/2008 12:00:43 AM PDT by conservative cat ("In politics if you want anything said, ask a man. If you want anything done, ask a woman. " -MT)
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To: Calculus_of_Consent

A little late for this kind of talk.

At this point, it’s either time to help or get out of the way.


5 posted on 09/12/2008 12:01:39 AM PDT by KoRn (Barack Obama Must Be Stopped!!!)
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To: Calculus_of_Consent
I am seriously considering voting for a third party this year. Not that I am under any illusion that a third party could win, but I find it morally repugnant to vote someone that is pro immigration and anti gun. The fact that he is slightly less anti gun and slightly less pro immigration then Obama doesn’t impress me.

You you equally unimpressed that McCain supports a strong defense for America, energy independence from foreign regimes, and a pro-life position?

7 posted on 09/12/2008 12:03:35 AM PDT by stripes1776 ("That if gold rust, what hall iron do?" --Chaucer)
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To: Calculus_of_Consent

Well I guess I really will “ware” my McCain-Palin button... and with pride!


8 posted on 09/12/2008 12:03:58 AM PDT by antceecee (LarryKing,CNN,MSNBC,KatieCouric et.al...: Our daughter's lives are none of your freakin' business!)
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To: Calculus_of_Consent

There’s very few elections where there’s the “perfect” candidate. Regean was great yes but Nixon, Ford, Bush, W. Bush are all Republican Presidents too. And none of them were perfect models of Conservatism.


10 posted on 09/12/2008 12:15:20 AM PDT by SMCC1
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To: Calculus_of_Consent

We all had to man up. Vote for him, and help us hold his feet to the fire during his term. Then you can feel some pride again.


11 posted on 09/12/2008 12:16:42 AM PDT by papasmurf (I ain't your Daddy's Conservative, OK?)
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To: Calculus_of_Consent
What has happened to the Republican party. When I was 18 I cast my first vote ever for Ronald Reagan. I did that proudly. ...... I find it morally repugnant to vote someone that is pro immigration ......

“It makes one wonder about the illegal alien fuss. Are great numbers of our unemployed really victims of the illegal alien invasion or are those illegal tourists actually doing work our own people won’t do? One thing is certain in this hungry world; no regulation or law should be allowed if it results in crops rotting in the fields for lack of harvesters.” ..... Ronald Reagan, 1977

14 posted on 09/12/2008 12:20:00 AM PDT by Polybius
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All you can do is put your trust in God and not in a political party or candidate. Do as you wish with your own vote, but I won’t waste mine on a third party that no one will take any notice of.


15 posted on 09/12/2008 12:20:10 AM PDT by smokingfrog (He that lives upon hope will die fasting. - Ben Franklin)
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To: Calculus_of_Consent
Please vote for a third party then, so you can be ideologically pure and have 100% of nothing.

In countries with parliamentary democracies, they have to put ruling coalitions together after the fact, and you really aren't quite sure what you may wind up with until after the election. In our country, you pick a candidate based on positions, and since he has to cobble together a potential majority before the election he has to get enough people on board to be a lot less than perfect.

It's awful. If you want to be ideologically pure, go over to a Libertarian, or a Green, or a Constitutionalists web forum. They are so pure they argue all day long about who is or is not a REAL L/C/G. And they have EXACTLY zero political power.

Old Libertarian joke: Ted Kennedy announces from the well of the Senate "Our party has decided to completely scrap the Constitution," Bob Dole jumps up and says "The Republican Party will never stand for that -- it must be phased in over 10 years!"

OK, it's an old story, and sadly it's basically a true one.

Now decide whether you want to belong to a party that makes good jokes but does nothing, or a party that gives you at least a fighting chance that you can still change things while there's time.

16 posted on 09/12/2008 12:21:51 AM PDT by FredZarguna (Sweet home Alabama, where we love the Steelers, true -- Now how 'bout you?.)
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To: Calculus_of_Consent

I dare you to post a comment with the word “Palin” in it.


17 posted on 09/12/2008 12:38:58 AM PDT by xjcsa (McWhatshisname-Palin 2008)
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To: Calculus_of_Consent
Here you go. I found your sign:


18 posted on 09/12/2008 1:01:23 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Amazing how Obama, Rangel, Biden and Dodd all got killer mortgage rates and below cost property.)
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To: Calculus_of_Consent

I agree with everyone here and most especially papa_smurf - time to man up and vote for McCain / Palin. Here are just a few reasons:

1. Voting for a 3rd party candidate is literally a vote for Obama. I did so when Bush & Clinton ran - many of us voted for Perot and we ended up with a serial adulterer for prez. Dumb move voting for Perot that I’ve regretted ever since.

2. Palin will be more than just a figurehead and already she’s helping to move some of his stances to the right. I think this trend will continue (not that I’m a known political commentator) and so do many others.

3. I believe the voice of the people will once again be heard on immigration and he will have to toughen his stance. Already his own state has made life most difficult for immigrants and it’s working. He’ll be forced by public outcry to toughen up here.

4. If you pay taxes, work and play in this country you should be scared to death of Obama’s proposed policies - higher ‘death tax’, higher capital gains, higher tax on investment income, higher taxes on everyone earning over $100,000, higher taxes on businesses and best yet ‘windfall profits’ levied on the oil companies. Who do you think will pay the oil companies windfall profits tax? We will, at the pumps! And the rest of the taxes above will cause the economy to spiral downward and again, who will pay businesses higher taxes? We will in a higher cost of consumer goods! Scared yet? You should be!

5. If Obama is elected do you really want Joe Biden the blithering idiot that seems as if he’s either drunk or recovering from a drunk all the time as V.P. - one heartbeat from the presidency?

6. Having people like William Ayers, Jeremiah Wright and Rezko (sp?) chumming around with Obama in the White House doesn’t frighten you? I don’t believe for one moment that Ayers wouldn’t try again if he thought he’d get away with it.

7. Judges - do you want the country stuck with Obama’s choice of judges for 20 years or more? The man thinks allowing infanticide is okay - what sort of judges would he appoint? Ruth Bader Ginsberg will look conservative compared to who he’d appoint.

Sorry everyone for this lengthy reply, but people that bemoan voting for McCain and say they’ll vote 3rd party aren’t seeing the harsh reality of life in an Obama-run U.S.A.

Man up already and quit whining.


20 posted on 09/12/2008 1:30:54 AM PDT by leapfrog0202
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To: Calculus_of_Consent

Is he still McShamnesty?


21 posted on 09/12/2008 2:31:11 AM PDT by stuartcr (Election year.....Who we gonna hate, in '08?)
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To: Calculus_of_Consent

I certainly will not vote for him, and I invite you to take your pick of the 3rd party alternatives.

Regardless of his VP pick (and while I have little against Palin herself), it doesn’t change the fact that McCain has been terribly damaging to the Conservative movement (especially SoCon, Pro-Life, and libertarian causes).

Things will not change if RINOs keep getting elected.

Thank you for your courage. It takes a lot to stand up and be counted here.


22 posted on 09/12/2008 2:55:35 AM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit.)
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To: Calculus_of_Consent

I am puzzled by your post, and its complete lack of mention of John McCain’s BRILLIANT choice of Palin as a VP pick that has completely galvanized this election. One would have to wonder if you own a television or if your vanity post has, uhmmm, another agenda.


23 posted on 09/12/2008 3:53:26 AM PDT by alwaysconservative (Never, ever forget.)
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