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To: tcostell; hiredhand; Squantos; NFHale
while racking a pump gun may drive away the 'honest' BG, it is a loss of cover/initiative to the hard core thug...

that said, Id imagine a few bladders have emptied on the way back to the entrypoint upon the sound of chambering a round...

31 posted on 09/10/2008 5:31:52 AM PDT by Gilbo_3 ("JesusChrist 08"...Trust in the Lord......=...LiveFReeOr Die...)
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To: Gilbo_3
One loses any tactical advantage by giving away ones position by making noise. The problem isn't the question of whether the sound will drive an intruder away or not. The question is what "class" of intruder are we dealing with? Since the answer to this question is usually a complete unknown, the default and safe stance is assume that the invader is the worst type, and to maintain stealth and keep any advantage that we have by knowing the layout of our areas in the dark. Ditto for weapons lights (SureFire and Pelican type). If you "hit em" with the light, you have a choice to make.

1. ID the target as friend...don't shoot.
2. ID the target as foe...shoot.
3. Obtain no positive ID and relocate because at this point you have completely given away your position to an unknown.

Lest I be critized for over simplifying the above, I know that there are several other things that could happen. The perp could just run away after being discovered. If this happens, then by all means, let them go. The above points apply in home invasions ONLY.

Point #3 brings about another issue as well. Since you don't know the result of lighting up the target, one needs to have a spot pre-chosen to which to move, which maintains the tactical advantage. The light (if used properly) will rob the targets ability to track you to the new spot, and if you're quiet they won't hear you either.

The problem with the idea that we're going to scare zombies away by racking rounds into pump shotguns, and pointing lasers at them is that nobody is prepared for one of these zombies being a predator. Most might be petty thieves, and might be frightened away by the presentaion of mere sounds and light, but that one that doesn't will render the home defender completely unprepared, for it was this person that wasn't considered.

ALL zombies should be considered predators. It's a default safe assumption.

LFOD! :-)
52 posted on 09/10/2008 6:33:20 AM PDT by hiredhand
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To: Gilbo_3; hiredhand; Squantos

Hello gentlemen...sorry for my self-inflicted hiatus...

I have several of the fine offerings of Mossberg; two 500A’s and one 590, specifically for those potential nocturnal “Repel Boarders” moments.

The 590 is the standard military version, but with a side saddle added on that holds a quick extra 6 rounds. That’s in the bedroom at night (chambered - no racking needed), backed up by a Glock 21 with a Surefire on it in the headboard.

Regarding the other two, the 500s: one has a folding stock, marine coat, 18” barrel. The other has a fixed stock, 18” barrel, and is matte (parkerized). My kids handle those well, should they need them, and can get to them instantly.

Also have an old, old, OLD Harrington & Richardson 20 gauge bolt action that I don’t bring out too often. It didn’t cost much brand new way, way back in the day (lower end gun), but it’s got sentimental family value to me, and is quite the lovely old piece.

I also have an “Organic Alarm System” - they make lots and lots of noise, slobber, and sleep on the middle floor of the house. Anyone coming in, either on the first floor or trying to come in on the middle floor, has to get through them first without waking them (not easy)...then, if successful, they’ll deal with a fully awake and thoroughly armed entire family on the top floor.

Suffice to say, it would be bad...very bad...as I taught my family - “This Unit Must Survive”....


80 posted on 09/10/2008 9:28:13 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By any means necessary.)
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