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To: cogitator
Orange bars represent the number of spotless days per month. The ongoing solar minimum needs to accumulate another 206 spotless days before it matches the duration of the 1933 minimum, which is considered unremarkable by solar historians.

Since you made your "unremarkable" remark, the sun has accumulated over 300 spotless days (out of 365 or so). It is remarkable now wouldn't you say? There's a theory that blames the lack of spots on solar system center of gravity changes (Jupiter's orbit is 11 years like the normal SS cycle). The other planets would have lesser effects, but I suppose they could enhance each other some way. But what is the effect back on earth?

My unpublished theory is that the solar minimum causes enhancements of nonlinearities in the magnetosphere (explained here http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=16797882) which in turn causes large scale gravity waves (see here http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6V3S-4019K4R-RG&_user=10&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_sort=d&_docanchor=&view=c&_searchStrId=1009542625&_rerunOrigin=google&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=c22eee69b245f3f576b0458ac5d8aceb)

The large scale gravity waves interact on a small scale with the weather-caused gravity waves to cause even more weather extremes (for example Gravity Waves Make Tornados[sic]) which is often cooling due to concentration of water vapor. Diffuse water vapor is warming, but concentrated water vapor is more neutral (even with warming) and often it is cooling (e.g. subsidence around hurricanes).

I could be wrong, the theory is incomplete and other solar factors could have greater influences.

32 posted on 09/12/2009 7:18:53 PM PDT by palmer (Cooperating with Obama = helping him extend the depression and implement socialism.)
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To: palmer
Since you made your "unremarkable" remark, the sun has accumulated over 300 spotless days (out of 365 or so). It is remarkable now wouldn't you say?

It's getting there. I guess I'd have to consider myself pretty lucky (along with the other billions of people living on Earth) to witness the beginning of a solar regime shift -- if that's what is happening. I hate to say something so trite as "we'll probably know in a year", but I think we're going to know a lot more in a year. I'm also REAL curious about what's going to happen in the Pacific Ocean over the next 8-10 months.

Did you see this? (I suspect you have.)

Are sunspots disappearing?

It's nice of you to share your theory, by the way, but my only comment would be that I think you'll have a lot of work to do to support it. That doesn't mean it's wrong; good luck.

33 posted on 09/12/2009 9:50:27 PM PDT by cogitator
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To: palmer
Since you made your "unremarkable" remark, the sun has accumulated over 300 spotless days (out of 365 or so). It is remarkable now wouldn't you say?

It's getting there. I guess I'd have to consider myself pretty lucky (along with the other billions of people living on Earth) to witness the beginning of a solar regime shift -- if that's what is happening. I hate to say something so trite as "we'll probably know in a year", but I think we're going to know a lot more in a year. I'm also REAL curious about what's going to happen in the Pacific Ocean over the next 8-10 months.

Did you see this? (I suspect you have.)

Are sunspots disappearing?

It's nice of you to share your theory, by the way, but my only comment would be that I think you'll have a lot of work to do to support it. That doesn't mean it's wrong; good luck.

34 posted on 09/12/2009 9:55:23 PM PDT by cogitator
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