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To: B4Ranch

I don’t use the “Nazi” label casually or often. It is too inflammatory and common use makes it lose its punch. But the BATF’s continual practice of prosecuting honest and generally law abiding gun dealers and gun owners, and putting those gun dealers out of business and putting those gun owners behind bars, reeks of Nazi mindset and tactics to me.

I say “generally law abiding” because the gun laws have become so petty and sinister, it is very easy to inadvertently violate them without any criminal intent. If a gun dealer allows a customer to mis-spell the name of the county he lives in on the form 4473 during a gun purchase, bingo! the dealer has broken a law. How much more petty and non criminal can it get.

Baby Bush screwed over all conservatives when he left Clinton’s cronies in charge of the BATF. And the thing is, Baby Bush don’t care.


10 posted on 08/16/2008 10:30:25 AM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free
I say “generally law abiding” because the gun laws have become so petty and sinister, it is very easy to inadvertently violate them without any criminal intent.

Nonsense. Gun statutes, regulations, ordinances, and other rules have become petty and sinister, if not downright evil in some cases. Per Article VI, however, unconstitutional rules are illegitimate and thus should not be regarded as law. It is true that people who violate the illegitimate rules will be punished by agents of an illegitimate government, but that still does not mean they should be granted the legitimacy implied by the term "law".

12 posted on 08/16/2008 10:42:50 AM PDT by supercat
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free

About five or six years ago I went to the Las Vegas Shot Show. As I was wheeling around checking out all the new products, I came upon the Assistant Director of the BATF speaking to a small crowd in one of the hallways. I didn’t know him but I could hear what he was saying. He was bragging about how effective the agents were at “dynamic entries”. Being me and unable to restrain myself, I said, “When are you going to teach them to enter the at correct address?”

You would have thought I set off a grenade. Everyones head snapped around to see who would have the stones to speak so bluntly to a federal employee. He mumbled half a sentence about mistakes happen now and then and rapidly walked away.

For the rest of the day strangers were coming over and saying thank you. I imagine that I got a couple more lines added into my file that day.


14 posted on 08/16/2008 10:57:33 AM PDT by B4Ranch ("Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you"--John Steinbeck)
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free
I say “generally law abiding” because the gun laws have become so petty and sinister, it is very easy to inadvertently violate them without any criminal intent. If a gun dealer allows a customer to mis-spell the name of the county he lives in on the form 4473 during a gun purchase, bingo! the dealer has broken a law. How much more petty and non criminal can it get.

Although it's a work of fiction, I think Atlas Shrugged sums it up quite nicely:

"Did you really think that we want those laws to be observed?", said Dr. Ferris. "We want them to be broken. You'd better get it straight that it's not a bunch of boy scouts you're up against -- then you'll know that this is not the age for beautiful gestures. We're after power and we mean it. You fellows were pikers, but we know the real trick, and you'd better get wise to it. There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power that any government has is to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What's there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced nor objectively interpreted -- and you create a nation of law-breakers -- and then you cash in on guilt. Now that's the system, Mr. Rearden, that's the game, and once you understand it, you'll be much easier to deal with."

15 posted on 08/16/2008 10:58:22 AM PDT by Andonius_99 (There are two sides to every issue. One is right, the other is wrong; but the middle is always evil.)
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free
reeks of Nazi mindset and tactics to me.

It certainly does. But, that's how liberalism rolls. A figure like Obama could, with very little effort, raise a national socialist movement along the path that many of today's laws have provided.

Minor fissures like gun control laws, cell phone laws, seatbelt laws, enviornmental laws, etc. could be cracked wide-open with the right charasmatic leader. If in doubt, take a hammer and chisle to a rock- noting the grain- and you can split it with ease.

Hammer and sickle- who (in their right mind) would put these on their flag? I think I know what the hammer stands for, but the symbolism behind the sickle is something else. Oh, and don't forget the red background (is that blood?). Some day I'll have to research the meaning behind the symbols used on the communist flag.

Yes, Bush should have dumped Clinton's appointments in every department. This may be the magic ingredient overlooked when everything comes crashing down. A strict conservative president could appoint strict constructionist judges and fail to rid us of the liberal/non-constitutional department heads.

Building a free society is much more difficult than installing tyranny. It requires those at the bottom (states, counties, cities) to respect individual rights as proposed in the original draft, and conform. But they don't, as the 'power' given unto them corrupts their perspective.

By contrast, a tyrant just walks in, pounds on the desk, and all his cronies hit the streets wearing badges, leafs, and epaulets in order to crush liberty as they see fit.

We're the last bastion of freedom and oil seems to be the commodity that'll test us dearly. I've got a carbon footprint that I'd like to shove up Al Gore's rear. Not that I care a whit about carbon dioxide, but suffer communists less than poorly.

The America that once was can be again, but a lot of bureaucrats will have to step aside (or get fired). BATFE employees can read, and all they have to read is this: "the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed." Any and every bureaucrat or foot soldier that violates this precept ought to face civil penalties and criminal prosecution. Unbeknownst to them, the havoc and un-Americanism their acts foist on us all will ultimately lead to the death of the sow whose 'teat' they've been so firmly attached.

It's a rare parasite that recognizes it's relationship with it's host- such that it spares it from death. I don't think BATFE is that smart. Freedom is dying and these corndog-lickers merrily trample the second ammendment at will. F them.

24 posted on 08/16/2008 5:51:24 PM PDT by budwiesest (America was such a better place when it was free.)
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free
I say “generally law abiding” because the gun laws have become so petty and sinister, it is very easy to inadvertently violate them without any criminal intent.

Therefore, says gilbo, it aint really a law...its a criminal assault on FRee citizens...

LFOD...

28 posted on 08/17/2008 6:04:51 AM PDT by Gilbo_3 ("Jesus 08"...Trust in the Lord...vote yer conscience...=...LiveFReeOr Die...)
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free

The BATFE is the US Gestapo.


44 posted on 08/18/2008 8:01:13 AM PDT by cedainty
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