Czech CKD TNH 8.2 ton tank, later renamed BMM by Germans:
Posted on 08/14/2008 5:41:41 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson
…might well be the prelude to a lightning attack.
Isn’t there a word for that in German?
A second article is entitled “Poland Denies ‘Buffer Bloc’ Plan,” an interesting account of how Germany and the democracies were keeping their eyes on Poland during this period.
YESTERDAY’S RESULTS
New York 11, Philadelphia 4.
Washington 4, Boston 1.
Cleveland 13, Chicago 4 (1st).
Chicago 2, Cleveland 1 (2d).
St. Louis 6, Detroit 3.
American League
……………………..Won….Lost…Percentage…….Games Behind
N. Y ………………...66……33…….667………………….-
Cleve………………...59……40…….596………………….7
Boston……………….55……42…….567………………….10
Wash..…………….....54……51…….514…………………..15
Detroit.………………49……54…….476………………….19
Chic.…………………43……52…….453………………….21
Phila...……………….37……61…….378………………….28 1/2
St. L………………….35……65….....350………………….31 1/2
GAMES TODAY
Philadelphia at New York (2, 2 P. M.) .
Boston at Washington.
Cleveland at Chicago.
Detroit at St. Louis.
National League
YESTERDAY’S RESULTS
New York 11, Philadelphia 1 (1st).
Philadelphia 8, New York 2 (2d).
Brooklyn 3, Boston 1 (1st).
Boston 4, Brooklyn 3 (2d).
Chicago 11, Pittsburgh 5.
Other clubs not scheduled.
……………………..Won….Lost…Percentage…….Games Behind
Pitts …………………62……38…….620………………….-
N. Y.………………...59……45…….567…………………..5
Chic.…………………58……45…….563…………………..5 1/2
Cincin.………………56……46…….549…………………..7
Boston ………………48…...52……..480………………….14
Bklyn ……………….48…...54……..471…………………..15
St. L………………....43…...57……..430………………….19
Phila…………………31……68……..313………………….30 1/2
GAMES TODAY
New York at Philadelphia (2).
Brooklyn at Boston (2).
Chicago at Pittsburgh.
St. Louis at Cincinnati (2).
PS. The first part of that same Santayana quote is "Progress, far from consisting in change, depends on retentiveness. When change is absolute there remains no being to improve and no direction is set for possible improvement: and when experience is not retained, as among savages, infancy is perpetual. " As among savages, infancy is perpetual - that is a perfect description for the party of His Holy Changeness whose middle name must never be spoken.
What year was that from, because it’s certainly not 2008.
OH, OK, now I read the whole post, I realize this is your relatime +/- 70 thread. Man, you had this newb all messed up!
Interesting thread premise, thank you!
That Santayana guy was a smart cookie. I had never heard that part of the quote before. Thanks. Progressives seem to reject the idea of retentiveness altogether and so create political parties for dumb children.
Sorry about that. I usually include the original publication date in the title. Forgot this time.
You did include it in the byline, i just skipped over it. My fault, not yours.
Phillies in last place by 30.5 games ? Wow, 1938 was a bad year all round.
It is interesting. It goes to show a a year is a lifetime in politics. Within two years the subject of the article was history and Hitler was well on the way to consolidating his absolute power.
And the penultimate A's are 28 1/2 out.
Seems to me, the Czech and German forces were not quite as mis-matched as this report suggests. In 1938 Hitler's forces still had a long way to go to match the fierce image of military power that Hitler was projecting to the world.
Czech CKD TNH 8.2 ton tank, later renamed BMM by Germans:
…Runciman puttered about in the Sudetenland and in Prague, making ever more friendly gestures to the Sudeten Germans and increasing demands on the Czech government to grant them what they wanted. Hitler, his generals and his Foreign Minister were frantically busy. On August 23, the Fuehrer entertained aboard the liner Patria in Kiel Bay during naval maneuvers the Regent of Hungary, Admiral Horthy, and the members of the Hungarian government. If they wanted to get in on the Czech feast, Hitler told them, they must hurry. “He who wants to sit at the table,” he put it, “must at least help in the kitchen.” The Italian ambassador, Bernardo Attolico, was also a guest on the ship. But when he pressed Ribbentrop for the date of “the German move against Czechoslovakia” so that Mussolini could be prepared, the German Foreign Minister gave an evasive answer. The Germans, it was plain, did not quite trust the discretion of their Fascist ally. Of Poland they were now sure. All through the summer Ambassador von Moltke in Warsaw was reporting to Berlin that not only would Poland decline to help Czechoslovakia by allowing Russia to send troops and planes through or over her territory but Colonel Jozef Beck, the Polish Foreign Minister, was casting covetous eyes on a slice of Czech territory, the Teschen area. Beck already was exhibiting that fatal shortsightedness, so widely shared in Europe that summer, which in the end would prove more disastrous than the could possibly imagine.
William L. Shirer, The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, Pg. 377
In this case, it meant, to the users, The Day of liberation of the oppressed German minority from the hated Czechoslovak rulers.
Der Tag turned out to be October 1.
Apparently the leaders of Poland were unable to read a map.
Here’s a link to a comparison of military power in the autumn of 1938. The Germans had the Czechs outnumbered about 2:1, leaving out their Polish and Hungarian allies. Germany itself had their most productive region, Bohemia, almost completely surrounded, and the entire country was surrounded by the allies. No foreign help could arrive.
http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/Czechoslovak_Order_of_Battle_-_September_30,_1938_(Fall_Grün)
It seems likely the Czechs could have fought for more than two or three days, perhaps for much longer. But it also seems likely the end result would have been exactly the same.
The Czechs didn’t really know yet that fighting to the death was far preferable to being under Nazi rule.
Your link didn't work for me, but your point is probably somewhat valid.
It seems likely the Germans could have overwhelmed the Czechs in the summer of 1938. On the other hand, intangibles might play a role.
Was the German military really as ready for war then as Hitler implied? Or might a tenacious defense by the Czechs have produced results similar to those between the Soviets and Finns in 1939?
Pure numbers don't always tell the whole story.
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