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8/14/08

Posted on 08/14/2008 12:13:29 AM PDT by sig226

Before the invention of the ubiquitous Ruger 10/22, pretty much everyone who knew how to shoot was familiar with the bolt action .22 Long Rifle. They were single shots with peep sights and they were stupid accurate. A bored rangemaster told each gang of mini GI Joes about the features of the rifles we were going to use. As he described each part of the action, we thought, ‘Well, duh . . .”

Something that simple wasn’t simple to invent. The modern bolt action began in 1827, with a patent for a breech loading "needle gun" by Johann Dreyse. A patent is not the same as an actual model that works, and someone wants to buy. The Prussian Army adopted the Dreyse rifle in 1840.

Prussia.us shows the development of German military rifles. They were the leaders in the field, most notably Paul Mauser. His ideas are still used.

From the site:

Gewehr 71
An improvement from the prototype submitted by the Mauser brothers (Gewehr 67/69) for military field tests, this version underwent improvements and was adopted by the freshly created unified-Germany (1/18/1871) and christened the Gewehr M.71. It was a new design built as a bolt action rifle chambering a metallic blackpowder cartridge. The Gew 71 was not a converted muzzleloader like many other countries were employing. The unique attributes of the bolt offered groundbreaking stability and cartridge chambering along with what became the standard Mauser wing-style safety lever. The Gew 71 has a walnut stock, two barrel bands, a cleaning rod in the forearm, and a muzzle cap securing the barrel.

Gewehr 71/84
The Russo - Turkish War impressed upon European powers that a repeating rifle can have a significant impact in battle. The day of the single shot was waning. The Mauser brothers had been improving the Gew 71 design while fulfilling contracts with Serbia. By 1881 Kaiser Wilhelm I was shown a prototype of a Gew 71 that featured a magazine. Wilhelm I found it favorable and the Mauser brothers further went to work putting the finishing touches on the prototype resulting in the Gew 71/84.

This rifle had an eight round magazine that was underneath the barrel that was loaded while the action was opened. To help this adaptation of a magazine the nose of the 11 x 60R bullet was slightly flattened. The Gew 71/84 also had a lever on the receiver that allowed the rifle to be fired in a single shot mode.

The French began the real revolution with the 1886 Lebel.

French Battle Rifles

Fusil d’Infanterie Mle. 1886.
The Lebel M-1886 is essentially a Mle. 1885 modified to use the new ammunition; changes included a new barrel, bolt head, and a new chamber. The M-1886 was forced to use round-headed ammunition by the tubular magazine feed (at the time, Spitzer (pointed-nose) bullets were quite unreliable in a tubular feed magazine, with the point of the bullet often setting off the primer of the round ahead of it in the magazine in the shock of firing the weapon). The bolt action had a massive, exposed receiver with a bolt handle that stuck straight out from the weapon. The peculiar bolt mechanism and the need for a large tubular magazine led to a long, heavy, and unbalanced rifle which took some time for shooters to get used to. The wooden stock was straight-wristed with a quite long length of pull. The magazine feed could be cut off, allowing for the feeding of single rounds into the rifle (French tactics of the time called for the shooter to feed single rounds into the weapon under most circumstances, using the magazine only to defend against incoming charges or when a large volume of fire was otherwise needed).

The British also adopted a bolt action military rifle, around the same time.

Lee Enfield
The Lee-Enfield (or what would become the Lee-Enfield) rifle actually began its tenure as Britain’s primary service rifle in 1888 when the British War Office adopted the Magazine Rifle MkI. This rifle originally designed by James Paris Lee a firearms designer who worked chiefly in the USA and Canada, incorporated a "cock-on-closing" bolt with rear locking lugs and a detachable 10 round magazine. RSAF Enfield married this action with a Metford rifled barrel chambered for the .303 British black powder cartridge and thus was the birth of the longest serving military rifle in history. Originally replacing the Martini-Henry in 1888, this rifle in various forms remained in the hands of front line troops until 1957 before being replaced by the FN FAL.>

Ferdinand Mannlicher
Mannlicher invented the en bloc clip made famous in the U.S. M-1 Garand rifle, also used in the Italian Carcano. Mannlicher also invented the rotary magazine and was the first to make straight pull bolts commercially acceptable.

All this led up to the adoption of the infamous Mauser 98k, a bolt action that featured a box magazine, aka double column. Yes, AR-15 and Glock fans, the guy who invented the high cap mag stuck it in a bolt action with a wood stock.

1898 Mauser
Paul Mauser designed many classic firearms, but his Model 1898 is the unquestioned benchmark used to measure any bolt-action rifle. The strength and safety features of the Model 98 action are legendary. Where most contemporary bolt actions employed locking lugs at either the front or rear of the bolt, the Model 98 has a pair of lugs in the front and a third safety lug in the rear.

Another safety feature of the Model 98 is the large gas shield at the front of the bolt sleeve to protect the firer’s eyes from hot gas and brass splinters in the event of a pierced primer or case-head separation. Oblong holes in the bottom of the bolt body serve the same purpose.

The U.S.A. got late into the game with the adoption of the Krag - Jorgenson and Springfield Model 1903 - A3 rifles. The Krag is most famous for service in the Phillippine Insurrection, the conflict that convinced the U.S. Army to get rid of its .38 caliber revolvers and adopt the .45 caliber Model 1911 pisotl. This was because the drugged up (opium) Mauro Tribesmen didn't fall down when they were shot with the revolver. Of course, they didn't fall down when they were shot with the .30 - 40 Krag rifle cartridge, either, but no one can claim that the firearms business makes any sense.

We were also busy inventing the Gatling Gun and the Maxim Machine Gun while the Europeans were perfecting the bolt action, so we get a pass. :)


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1 posted on 08/14/2008 12:13:29 AM PDT by sig226
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To: CholeraJoe; Slip18; sig226; Shooter 2.5; Manly Warrior; DaveLoneRanger; Eaker; P8riot; ...

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2 posted on 08/14/2008 12:14:37 AM PDT by sig226 (Obama '08 - No, You Can't.)
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To: sig226

Isn’t it a little early?


3 posted on 08/14/2008 12:14:56 AM PDT by wastedyears (Show me your precious darlings, and I will crush them all)
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To: wastedyears

I fell asleep when I got home from work. I planned to spend an hour or so on this tonight and post it before I left this morning, but since it is technically Thursday now, I posted it.


4 posted on 08/14/2008 12:16:28 AM PDT by sig226 (Obama '08 - No, You Can't.)
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To: sig226

If some body didn’t know better, he’d look at bolt and lever action rifles and figure that the lever action was more complex and that the bolt action had to come first, which is wrong. Most interesting 22 rimfire I’ve seen in recent years however is the little Henry lever action.


5 posted on 08/14/2008 12:24:32 AM PDT by wendy1946
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To: sig226

Add me please, thanks.


6 posted on 08/14/2008 12:51:47 AM PDT by Atchafalaya
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To: sig226
1st long gun was a single shot, bolt action, open sighted .22. Next was a single shot Topper .410. Both put a heck of a lot of squirrels, rabbits, quail and assorted other animals on the table. Not to mention a heck of a lot of .22 rounds down range and down field.

I really couldn't think of a better way to start a shooting life than the combination of those 2 guns.
1 shot, see the results and reload.

Of course a lot of folks who started with pistols probably have other opinions. But thats mine.
7 posted on 08/14/2008 1:16:24 AM PDT by Tainan (Talk is cheap. Silence is golden. All I got is brass...lotsa brass.)
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To: sig226

Can you add me to the ping list and I’ll forward these to my husband. Thanks.


8 posted on 08/14/2008 1:40:06 AM PDT by beaversmom
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To: sig226
I still have my first rifle. It is a Marlin Glenfield 10 bolt action .22 (will shoot shorts, longs, and LRs) that I went to the corner hardware store with my father to buy during the summer of 1963. I was six yrs old at the time, and had saved up lawn mowing and car washing money specifically for it. I think it was around $25, but am not sure. I still remember walking home, with my Dad reminding me of the responsibility I now had. I was carrying the rifle at "shoulder arms" the whole six blocks. We lived in Orange, California at the time (how times have changed).

In the intervening 45 yrs it has taken about 1,000 tin cans, more than 300 squirrels, about that many rabbits, dozens of pigeons, one turkey, and numerous other varmints including a Boy Scout merit badge.

With the exception of some scratches, and my initials carved into the stock with a Boy Scout pocket knife (which I also still have), it looks and functions as good as the day I bought it. I estimate that it probably has anywhere from 50 to 70,000 rounds through it.

I am proud to pass it down to my son, who is now the same age I was when I got it. If I successfully instill the same respect, and sense of responsibility in him that my father did in me, he may be able to pass it on to his son.

9 posted on 08/14/2008 2:10:28 AM PDT by P8riot (I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.)
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To: sig226

Russia and Germany were usung a bolt action in the 1840s, and we were still humping muzzle loaders.


10 posted on 08/14/2008 2:36:04 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink)
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To: sig226
please add me to da list...
11 posted on 08/14/2008 4:01:43 AM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - CTHULHU/NYARLATHOTEP'08 = Nothing LESS!!!)
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To: wastedyears

It is never too early for gun porn.


12 posted on 08/14/2008 4:20:35 AM PDT by bmwcyle (If God wanted us to be Socialist, Karl Marx would have been born in America.)
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To: sig226

I’ve got a number of .22 rifles and have for years. Last weekend CMP send out a notice that they have about 2000 Mossberg M44 Army trainer rifles. I had to order one. They were made starting 1943 I think to 1949. They look like a sweet rifle. I can hardly wait.


13 posted on 08/14/2008 4:41:06 AM PDT by caver (Yes, I did crawl out of a hole in the ground.)
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To: sig226

I believe it was the American company of Smith and Wesson who developed the modern self contained metalic cartridge which was a rimfire. The calibers went all the way to .44 with 28 grains of powder. The self contained cartridge is what made modern arms possible.

I have an example of an internally primed centerfire cartridge. It’s a .45 Colt. I don’t know the manufacturer.

The military is trying to develop a cartridge that either has a all consuming cartridge or cases that aren’t made from the expense brass materials.


14 posted on 08/14/2008 5:06:47 AM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Vote against the dem party)
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To: caver

Start your search for magazines now. You might try Gun Parts Inc.


15 posted on 08/14/2008 5:09:12 AM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Vote against the dem party)
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To: Shooter 2.5

“Start your search for magazines now. You might try Gun Parts Inc.”

Are you talking about Numrich Gun Parts? They have them and they are pricey, over $40


16 posted on 08/14/2008 5:14:20 AM PDT by caver (Yes, I did crawl out of a hole in the ground.)
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To: caver

That’s the one. They change their name back and forth once in awhile for some reason.


17 posted on 08/14/2008 5:18:22 AM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Vote against the dem party)
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FR Gun Club ping!

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18 posted on 08/14/2008 5:36:50 AM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: sig226

Thanks for the ping. Man I’ve punched alot of holes in targets, tin cans and bunnies with a .22LR. It was the first gun I learned to shoot and I still have it. Pump action, tubular magazine that loaded from the front.


19 posted on 08/14/2008 5:38:39 AM PDT by CholeraJoe ("You don't eat meat, and drive electrical cars. Ur so gay, you don't even like boys.")
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To: Tainan
A friend and I were talking just yesterday about 22’s and 410’s being our first guns. I had an over under 22/410 from Sears that I think branded Sears. We decided that a perfect gun for us would be a 12ga /30-06 over under. In Nevada we often deer hunt when bird season is open and the hunting gods being a fickle bunch you can trip over literally hundreds of chuckar when you have your rifle and a 5x5 buck when you have your shotgun. A 12ga/30-06 would allow you to carry one long gun and git R done!!!
20 posted on 08/14/2008 5:43:44 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Constantly choosing the lesser of two evils is still choosing evil.)
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