Posted on 08/05/2008 12:11:25 PM PDT by cowboyway
TAMPA, FLA. - Chip Witte doesn't consider himself a Rebel. He doesn't hang Dixie battle flags in his living room, nor does he wear one on the back of his leather jacket.
Yet when the Tampa motorcycle mechanic saw the world's largest Confederate battle flag unfurl above the intersection of I-75 and I-4 in June, he felt a jolt of solidarity with the lost cause and lost rights that he says the battle flag represents. "I think it's great that they're allowed to fly it," says Mr. Witte. [Editor's note: The original version misidentified the highway intersection.]
(Excerpt) Read more at csmonitor.com ...
Actually it started happening when Southern Democrats discovered that they could switch to the Republicans and keep their big spending, big government ways.
I agree. And I wish certain people and groups wouldn't use it, but it is their 1A right.
It only gives radicals ammo to attack it.
Let's face a fact; the Confederate Battle Flag is one of the few remaining politically correct targets for attack. The white male is another, especially if he's a Southern 'redneck'.
And it's not just the radicals, either. The Flag and white Southern male are mainstream attack fodder. The MSM media pundits can make baseless accusations, especially the dreaded R word, without fear of reprisal.
From the article:
"With more planned in Tennessee, Georgia, Kentucky, and possibly South Carolina,
The SC SCV has a 'flag project' but no details on their web site.
Honestly have you ever seen this version of the confederate flag ever used by actual Confederates during the Civil War?
I ask you specifically because of your bias as opposed to the bias of the Neo Confederates here that will just tell me about some book they once saw a picture in that no one can find or has ever heard of?
As far as I am concerned this version of the flag is not only historically inaccurate but is the very epitome of the versions of Confederate flags flown by Democrats, their minions of the Klu Klux Klan and other racists to ensure that Blacks in the south never achieved the civil right due to them under the 14th Amendment.
The flag will always be attacked. You can call it PC or whatever name you want to make up. It is the symbol of a vanquished idea. The idea that you can collectively claim the right to hold other human beings as slave. Romanticize that all you want. Fly it, salute it, hang it in front of your house or in the window of the pick-up. But we all know what it stands for.
Gettysburg... while my terminology might not be perfect... army, brigade, regiment whatever...
Fact is Joshua Chamberlain and the damn Yankees ran ya’ll down like the French on that day.
Semantics.
The whole concept of "states' rights" is an invention cooked up to preserve slavery.
So the 10A doesn't exist?
If it weren't, defenders of the Confederacy would be able to itemize these alleged offenses against "states' rights" - but they never can.
The square flag was used by the Army of Northern Virginia. The rectangular flag was used by many Confederate units in the Armies of Tennessee and the Trans Mississippi.
Sad but true.
Please. If thats the case, why is the north so solidly blue? Because enormous numbers of liberal Southerners went north at the same exact time that all those northerners came south?
Pathetic.
the sons and grandsons of the Confederates.
Who still had a deep resentment of anything Republican because of disHonest Abe, The War of Northern Aggression and Reconstruction.
And to be honest, I don't trust this modern herd of rebubs either.
Obama and others have already been elected. Does that mean we’re in Stage 4?
Lee was not feeling well physically. Stuart wasn't there on the first and second day to provide reconnaissance. The “expert” and back-stabber Longstreet deliberately tried to sabotage Lee's plans.
Also, Custer was where Lee didn't know he was - behind the Union Lines - and the attempt on the third day to break the Union Lines would have gone off like a charm had Stuart
not been delayed by Custer. Lee planned to have Pickett and his unit hit the front of the Union Lines at the same time and place that Stuart was supposed to hit them from the rear, then roll them up on the flanks. It was a good plan and would have probably worked had the luck of the draw not stopped it.
The fact is, Union generalship left a lot to be desired and Lee was a pretty crafty and able commander. The fact that it took so many years for a part of the Country with so many more men and so much more industry and total control of the seas to defeat the South indicates where the real military talents lay. And had Lee not decided to surrender at Gettysburg and save both the North and South and their civilian populations the cost of a long an uncertain guerrilla war, fighting may have gone until the 20th century.
And you can compare the way Lee treated northern civilians to the way that savage Sheridan and that other Savage Sherman treated the southern population to see who the real primitives were.
Sheridan and Sherman set the ground rules for the horrors of the Boer War, WW1, WW2 and all successive wars which involved attacks on civilian populations as a deliberate matter of policy.
By the way, I'm not a southerner.
Then the entire Constitution is nothing but an exercise in semantics.
The notion that a state is an entity that has rights is a false notion with destructive consequences.
So the 10A doesn't exist?
Of course it does, but it says nothing about states having "rights."
Your posted link is full of rhetoric, but it boils down to: The federal government isn't doing enough to force free states to hunt down escaped slaves.
It specifically criticizes other state legislatures for not passing laws that South Carolina thinks are necessary.
The document essentially claims that South Carolina is leaving because the federal government refuses to interfere in the affairs of other states to impose South Carolina's interpretation of the Constitution on New York, New Jersey, Ohio etc.
So not only is the whole concept of "states' rights" an oxymoron as a constitutional concept, the South Carolina state legislature is engaging in ridiculously laughable hypocrisy by giving the federal government the following ultimatum: "Either use federal power to force Ohio and New Jersey to obey South Carolina, or we will secede."
"States' rights" indeed! What a joke.
Obama was nominate, not elected. My guess, hope and prayer is he is defeated by McCain.
The infiltration of western society and civilization by Muslims goes on unopposed. Westerners are, for the most part, blissfully ignorant of Islam, Islamic history, and the long record of brutality, oppression, religious suppression and religious hatred generated by this cult.
Islam is not just another religion, and the fools in Washington and local governments continue to treat it as such to our very great peril.
I thought that the Confederate Battle Flag was always square except for its use as a naval ensign, and until later when it was used in the form of a canton on a white field with a red bar on the fly end (Stainless Banner).
You didn't read my post, obviously. A good portion of Northerners became Westerners in the 1870s and 1880s. Their places back home were in large part taken by a massive wave of immigrants from Europe - a Europe well inured to social programs following the revolutions of 1848.
Rhode Island wasn't 30% Italian and Portuguese in 1860.
Who still had a deep resentment of anything Republican because of disHonest Abe, The War of Northern Aggression and Reconstruction.
I see. So the 80% vote for FDR - who was the textbook definition of a Northeastern Yankee patrician - was just a highly ironic postmodern protest vote against Yankees.
Of course, I’ve heard many stories about Lee. By all accounts not only was a good general, he was a great man. The story that impressed me most, we heard at Appomatix Courthouse by the park ranger. When Lee rode down the road to the house to surrender to Grant, the union soldiers lined the road as a sign of respect.
Robert E. Lee was a GREAT AMERICAN.
The rectangular flag was also the “Official” Naval Ensign. The White Flag with the canton in the upper left hand corner with the red bar on the fly end was the official “Government” flag. It replaced the “Stars and Bars” which was confused with the U.S. Flag on the Battlefield.
Actually, the red bar was added to the “Stainless Banner” only a few months before the War’s end because the flag was confusing as well, being sometimes confused with a white flag of surrender.
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