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Posted on 08/04/2008 3:50:44 AM PDT by sig226

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41 posted on 08/04/2008 9:12:55 AM PDT by xp38
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To: Gilbo_3; ExGeeEye; hiredhand; Squantos; El Gato; Dead Corpse; B4Ranch

THE Most BASIC HUMAN RIGHT - self-defense.

I carry a firearm; unabashedly, unashamedly, and even more than a bit defiantly. I am an AMERICAN CITIZEN, with the rights granted by God, defined in the Constitution, and secured by the blood and sacrifice of AMERICAN MANHOOD.

People are safer wherever I am, because THAT is the DUTY, OBLIGATION, and RESPONSIBILITY of ALL who call themselves AMERICAN CITIZENS. If citizens surrender the initiative to the more base and animalistic in society, you get the society that the animalistic deem appropriate.

I choose not to surrender that initiative.

If I can STOP a violent action, I will; If I can PROTECT an INNOCENT life, I will. If I can DEFEND my COUNTRY, MY NEIGHBORHOOD, MY FAMILY, I will.

About sums it up.

Thanks for the ping.

“I was BORN an AMERICAN. I LIVE as an AMERICAN; I shall DIE as an AMERICAN, and I intend to perform the duties incumbent upon me in that character to the end of my career. I mean to do this with ABSOLUTE DISREGARD of personal consequences. “
- Daniel Webster


42 posted on 08/04/2008 9:16:35 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By any means necessary.)
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To: archy

I remember there was an outcry. Thank you very much for the link. Reading.


43 posted on 08/04/2008 9:17:56 AM PDT by Alia
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To: archy
"Thank You" as always archy,

But push comes to shove, I'll be a grizzley that doesnt like the taste of lambchops...

44 posted on 08/04/2008 9:19:45 AM PDT by Gilbo_3 (Trust in the Lord...vote yer conscience...=...LiveFReeOr Die...)
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To: archy

I agree with Teddy about the eagle. It’s a scavenger


45 posted on 08/04/2008 9:25:17 AM PDT by wastedyears (Show me your precious darlings, and I will crush them all)
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To: ctdonath2
Most of the rest of violent crimes are criminal-on-criminal. Subtract out certain geographically and socially isolated groups, and the crime rate stats plummet.

FWIW: When a notable member of such a group was asked why the perpetrators from those groups victimize members of those groups (trying to stay really PC here, sorry) instead of those outside, he responded that the perps would generally not survive such attacks.

Are you talking about gangs, as in Mexican gangs killing blacks in CA, just because they're black, and vice versa? I'm not PC. LOL

46 posted on 08/04/2008 9:30:29 AM PDT by NRA2BFree (LIBERALS SHOULD BE EUTHANIZED FOR THE "COMMON GOOD.")
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To: sig226

The sheep comment is very appropriate - and in tune with my long-standing signature.

I remember reading of a violent incident at a K-Mart where the shoppers were aware of the problem. I think it was a nutcase with a knife running around and shouting.

One customer later commented that his kid asked him “Dad do you have your gun?” (a big No No IMO). Other customers heard the kid and started to gather around the guy for protection. Probably the same ones who would have been against passage of CCW.


47 posted on 08/04/2008 9:38:19 AM PDT by Oatka (A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves." –Bertrand de Jouvenel)
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To: Oatka
One customer later commented that his kid asked him “Dad do you have your gun?” (a big No No IMO). Other customers heard the kid and started to gather around the guy for protection. Probably the same ones who would have been against passage of CCW.

My daughter and I were in a grocery store one evening when we heard two carts collide and an argument start.

When we rounded the corner here were two men. One tall, 6 foot, about 185 pounds squaring off with a shorter fatter guy......with garden tools.
One had the little 3-prong rake, the other the small trowel shovel.

It was hilarious, I started laughing out loud and they both started giving me grief for laughing at them. They BOTH turned and brandished their 'weapons' at me.

I calmly moved my coat open so they could SEE the 1911 I was carrying in it's holster. I then informed them we were walking to the store office to call the police.

They were both pretty meek after that.

48 posted on 08/04/2008 9:46:08 AM PDT by Pistolshot (Leadership without experience is dangerous. - Lindsey Graham NO B.O.)
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To: NRA2BFree

I’m talking violent gangs vs. polite middle class.

I recall a deputy commenting that such behavior would be ... um ... dealt with. And I have reason to believe my polite pretty neighborhood is way more armed than any ghetto block.


49 posted on 08/04/2008 10:11:57 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (The average piece of junk is more meaningful than our criticism designating it so. - Ratatouille)
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To: archy; Gilbo_3

I think the search to define us as sheepdogs, rams or grizzly bears is a futile one because we are the chosen ones who protect America and her citizens. We are the eagles constantly observing the herd animals shifting from one plateau to another. We are the ones who take note of the hungry carnivors who trail behind the herds killing their young and unprotected aged. We are the ones who examine the corpses taking note that the fallen were stricken with viruses and diseases brought to our land from offshore invaders.

We are the only ones who have to courage to stand and fight the Quislings. It is our job to determine if our laws and politics have been corrupted to a such a state of desperation that arms are necessary to bring our Republic back to health.

The burden on our shoulders is indeed a heavy one. We have been selected for the task as protectors because we are not animals. We wisely do not instantly respond to all attacks the way an animal would because we recognize that some attacks are searches seeking to gain knowledge of our size, strength and capability. The Quislings need to know what our plans are. They must determine how to defeat us if they are to continue. These traitors fear us because we believe in a power that they can never defeat and it sure isn’t Islam.

I tend to view my fellow patriots as something good for all humanity such as an antibacterial antibiotic, say penicillin.


50 posted on 08/04/2008 10:45:38 AM PDT by B4Ranch (Having custody of a loaded weapon does not arm you. The skill to use the weapon is what arms a man.)
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March
“If you brandish your weapon, be ready to kill.”

My honorary uncle Archie was a cop in Glendale in the ‘60’s, and he taught me much of what I know about shooting. One of the things he told me was to never “brandish” a weapon. Keep it holstered (or at least held down out of sight), or put it on-target and fire. Here 30 or 40 years later, it still seems good advice to me.

51 posted on 08/04/2008 10:54:27 AM PDT by Old Student (We have a name for the people who think indiscriminate killing is fine. They're called "The Bad Guys)
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To: sig226

Please add me to the gun club list. Not all of us New Jersey residents call 911 and die, you know.


52 posted on 08/04/2008 10:56:10 AM PDT by Clemenza (McCain/Palin; Maverick and the MILF)
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To: Ifyou
“Anything that launches one or several directable projectiles out of a muzzle, by force of pressurized gas, is protected by the second amendment as far as I’m concerned and is fine with me as long as you handle it competently and safely.

Shoot ‘em up!”

To paraphrase a common directive when I was going through BASIC: “Shoot ‘em if you've got ‘em.”

I agree with your take on this subject. The only firearm I currently “own” is about a thousand miles from me right now. I left it there to keep it from getting stolen when I was moving so frequently in the military, and haven't recovered it yet. Not possessing any firearms, however, doesn't mean I don't think anyone else should. If I can get my financial situation straight before I die, I intend to get a CCW permit, and fill a large gun safe. In the meantime, I've got a couple of crossbows, and the whole family is outfitted with swords. Not as effective as a pistol or rifle, but even a ballpoint pen can be a weapon if someone is interested enough. I've also spend most of the last decade in places where I wouldn't be allowed to carry a firearm if I had one, and I'm hoping to see those laws changed soon, too, on both the local and Federal levels.

I'm not steady enough to shoot long-range targets, but full-auto weapons can be fun! And practice for self-defense is never, ever, wasted time.

53 posted on 08/04/2008 11:04:50 AM PDT by Old Student (We have a name for the people who think indiscriminate killing is fine. They're called "The Bad Guys)
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To: Old Student

Amen! Thank you for your service and ditto your comments on self defense. Have you seen Benchmade’s new tactical ball point pen? Fine looking and versatile tool.


54 posted on 08/04/2008 11:27:57 AM PDT by Ifyou
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To: ctdonath2
I’m talking violent gangs vs. polite middle class.

I recall a deputy commenting that such behavior would be ... um ... dealt with. And I have reason to believe my polite pretty neighborhood is way more armed than any ghetto block.

I agree with you on the violent gangs. Aren't most of them violent any more? MS-13 is the worst, IMO. What's scary is that their education level is maybe the first grade. Illiterate gang bangers whose biggest thrill is pleasing the gang by committing violent crimes against people.

People in my neighborhood are armed to the teeth too. Of course we live in the country, so that's a given for survival.

55 posted on 08/04/2008 11:28:19 AM PDT by NRA2BFree (LIBERALS SHOULD BE EUTHANIZED FOR THE "COMMON GOOD.")
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To: NRA2BFree
Aren't most of them violent any more?

Not all. A group identified by their pink button-up shirts was finally caught harassing our community sign. They were guilty of lousy art, not violence.

56 posted on 08/04/2008 11:47:34 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (The average piece of junk is more meaningful than our criticism designating it so. - Ratatouille)
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To: Ifyou
My service was an honor and pleasure, both. You're welcome.

I'd never seen the Benchmade tactical pens, but I carried one of these until the last week of school this year, when I loaned it, and lost it, during a small emergency.

http://www.djbpens.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=67_76&products_id=223&zenid=fca4ae253e50278f09b22a923c7d2a5a

It's not quite so nice as the Benchmade, but much cheaper. $10 apiece if you buy less than 25 of them. Solid brass body, heavy and solid. The back end of the pen is a dialer for old-style rotary dial phones, and would probably break someone's skull quite handily. The writing end is reasonably sharply pointed, so I suspect it would distract anyone you poked with it considerably.

Since I'm kinda broke at the moment, I'm thinking of using my new lathe to make one of my own. I just may study that Benchmade for a bit before I start cutting... Thanks!

57 posted on 08/04/2008 12:04:21 PM PDT by Old Student (We have a name for the people who think indiscriminate killing is fine. They're called "The Bad Guys)
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To: sig226

That was an informative and thoughtful article - thanks!


58 posted on 08/04/2008 12:11:40 PM PDT by andy58-in-nh (A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves.)
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To: Old Student
I saw your reply to the comment "If you brandish your weapon, be ready to kill." and thought I might respond.

I work with a retired soldier, rank, name and branch of service will remain unknown, he was recently terminated from a high school teaching job as he broke a students arm in 3 places. It seems this student decided the teacher was an easy mark and pulled a knife on him and took up what was considered a offensive posture. At the hearing where he was terminated he told the student and the parents they could be glad he did not have a gun at the time as he would not have bothered with breaking his arm, but used the gun instead. The school board was “shocked” at that statement. Makes me know where some of the local sheep are and what their reaction is when the sheepdog is turned loose.

59 posted on 08/04/2008 12:12:03 PM PDT by 30-06 Springfield (Go ahead, tell it like it really is!)
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To: 30-06 Springfield
Sounds like he needs to sue someone for wrongful termination, and for maintaining a hostile working environment.

I worked as a teacher's assistant at a local high school a few years ago. One of the kids asked me what would happen if a bunch of them attacked me. I said “I'd probably wind up in the hospital. But I wouldn't be the only one.” None of them ever messed with me.

Had a young woman trying to hurt one of the other young women one day. Told her she had to go through me first. She asked what would happen then, and I told her once she came after me, she was a legitimate target, and after I stopped her, I'd be suing her parents for everything they had now, and would ever have. She decided to settle down.

One day two of the boys started fighting at the other end of the room. I got there after the first two or three swings and hits, and got between them just as one started to swing. He reached up with his other hand and grabbed the one on its way to my face and stopped it. I guess he believed me, too.

I suspect there was really only one difference between us, however. My administration supported me, and his didn't. Simple as that. Things like this are why I live in Oklahoma now, instead of California, where I was born. Even the libs here generally support 2nd Amendment Rights.

Mind, I was never in combat arms, just a tech in the Air Force. Attitude has a lot to do with it. I keep running into kids I worked with who tell me that I helped them a lot. Pretty much all I told them was that they were responsible for their own actions, which would have consequences. Some good, some bad. They just needed to think things through, and decide which consequences they wanted, and what it took to get those consequences instead of the others.

60 posted on 08/04/2008 12:46:31 PM PDT by Old Student (We have a name for the people who think indiscriminate killing is fine. They're called "The Bad Guys)
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