Posted on 08/02/2008 6:18:24 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson
Sino-Japanese war update.
http://www.amazon.com/dp/0679422714/It's just fascinating to read these China stories after being informed by C&H's investigations into what was really going on behind the scenes.
For instance, PJ O'Rourke's recent travelogue is just filled with regurgitations of Mao-ist propaganda & myth-making from that era, all of which makes complete sense once you understand what Mao was trying to accomplish [and in fact accomplishing] at the time:
The Cleveland of Asia: A Journey Through China’s Rust Belt
P. J. O'Rourke
Spring 2008
http://www.worldaffairsjournal.org/2008%20-%20Spring/abstract-china.html
CIA files released in the last year affirm that the CIA helped insure that Mao won.
Demonic Traitorous globalist pig manipulators.
God will deal with all such in His time.
The suffering between now and then is not fun to contemplate, however.
Mao was a pure psychopath....along with Stalin and Hitler he was about the most prolific killer of the 20th Century.All he was trying to accomplish was the gaining of total power....and adoration.Nothing more.Despite what he...or anyone else....might claim.
Yeah, C&H indicate that there were a number of Americans in the Mao effort, to include Edgar Snow, Anna Louise Strong, an un-named American bank [I really wish they'd named the bank], Gen Patrick Hurley, George Marshall, and probably the entire US State Department, among others.
I may be wrong.
But I have a very faint impression it was Bank of America.
Thanks for the details.
Right - Mao used the long march to eliminate his most powerful rivals within the Communist Party high command.
One of the things that's fascinating about PJ ORourke's piece is the story told to him by a survivor of the Long March, who was marching under the command of one of Mao's rivals, and whose comrades were systematically marched & starved to death by Mao so as to eliminate them as competitors to Mao [and his troops].
But sixty or seventy years later, when he spoke to PJ, this survivor still didn't realize that - that the Long March was so terrible for him & his comrades precisely because Mao was determined to [and succeeded in] killing them all off.
PS: Getting back to the story at hand, Mao used the entire "war" against Japan to attack Chiang in the countryside - Mao viewed the Japanese as his allies in weakening and deposing Chiang.
...both sides of the Yangtze River in the vicinity of Kiukiang, 135 miles downriver from Hankow.
I see Hankow on the map. Kiukiang apparently doesn't rate a dot of its own.
One of the stories mentions a cavalry attack, but it doesn’t say if it was tank cavalry or horse cavalry. I mention this because in 1939 both Belgium and Poland fielded horse cavalry.
"From December 1937 events such as the Japanese attack on the USS Panay and the Nanking Massacre swung public opinion in the West sharply against Japan and increased their fear of Japanese expansion, which prompted the United States, the United Kingdom, and France to provide loan assistance for war supply contracts to Kuomintang.
"Furthermore, Australia prevented a Japanese Government-owned company from taking over an iron mine in Australia, and banned iron ore exports in 1938.[4]
"Japan retaliated by invading Vietnam in 1940, and successfully blockaded China and prevented the import of arms, fuel and 10,000 tons/month of materials supplied by the Western Powers through the Haiphong-Yunnan Fou railway line.
"By mid-1941, the United States organized the American Volunteer Group, or Flying Tigers. Led by Claire Chennault, their early combat success of 300 kills against a loss of 12 of their shark painted P-40 fighters earned them wide recognition at the time when Allies were suffering heavy losses."
So, the US provided Mao's communists with how many tons of supplies, and how many fighter planes?
I don’t recall the details.
I think there’s a thread on FR.
I think it was more holding back certain things, facilitating certain things . . . aiding with materiel was a minor part of such manipulations, imho.
The puppet masters have been playing all sides against the middle for many, many decades.
PLEASE read post #76 at the FR thread link in my tag line.
After reading those quotes of leaders from 1900 on, THEN tell me whether you believe the CIA did no such thing, or not.
Surely you do not intend to suggest that the CIA was helping Chi-Coms during the 1930s?? ;-)
During W.W.II, the US provided "Uncle Joe" Stalin with many $billions in military aid, and Chinese nationalists (even before Pearl Harbor) with many $millions in aid -- tens of thousands of tons, according to the source above.
I'd suggest that any aid provided directly to Chi-Coms was relatively miniscule.
The CIA did not exist until after WWII.
Marshall et al WITHHELD supplies from Chiang, and repeatedly restrained him from going after Mao and finishing off Mao once and for all [while Chiang still had the upper hand] at the same time that Stalin was arming Mao to the teeth.
BTW, after Chiang was vanquished to Formosa/Taiwan, most of China was effectively a Soviet satellite [literally - it was almost another province of the Soviet Union] until Stalin's death - that's something else which Chang & Halliday make clear.
Yes, of course, which is why any suggestion that the "CIA" was helping Chi-Coms during the 1930s is so utterly ridiculous it's beyond response.
But I was trying to be a nice guy, and not insult the IQ of our worthy poster, Quix...
Factually the assertion about the "CIA" might not be correct, but the sentiment itself is most definitely correct - the very same Communists who riddled the FDR & Truman administrations, and who helped Mao rise to power, are indistinguishable from the Valerie Plame / Joe Wilson / Foggy Bottom types who are working so diligently to bring down the Bush administration and to promote the causes of nihilism, statism, and Islam.
The names may have changed over the course of the last century, but the methods & the ends are the same.
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