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Doctor Who fans told to lay off Hamlet (Trekkies also unwelcome at Stratford stage door)
The Register ^ | Thursday 24th July 2008 | Lester Haines

Posted on 07/24/2008 11:36:08 AM PDT by nickcarraway

Fans of Doctor Who and Star Trek have been told to lay off autograph hunting at the stage door of the Courtyard Theatre in Stratford, where David Tennant and Patrick Stewart are thesping it up in a Royal Shakespeare Company production of Hamlet.

The ban comes after fans apparently started turning up at the venue with "bags" of Who goodies, hoping to get Tennant's mark on their memorabilia.

The RSC declared: "Due to the huge amount of interest in the RSC's current production of Hamlet, only Royal Shakespeare Company or production related memorabilia will be signed by members of the company.

"It is very flattering that there is so much interest in this production, but the sheer volume of requests means that we need to set some limits which will be as fair as possible for everyone. We apologise if this causes any disappointment."

Following the usual previews, Hamlet opens its door to the public on 5 August, the BBC notes. Tennant takes the lead while Stewart tackles Claudius and the Ghost.


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To: mad_as_he$$
The TARDIS the Doctor operates has a stuck cloaking/mimic device. That is why it always a phone booth.

Except for the time it became unstuck in the Colin Baker era. The only problem was that he couldn't control it. Pipe organ in the alley,anyone?

21 posted on 07/24/2008 1:24:21 PM PDT by Overtaxed (Carbon dioxide...make it for the trees.)
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To: nnn0jeh

ping


22 posted on 07/24/2008 1:25:25 PM PDT by kalee
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To: longtermmemmory
>> Keeping this on point, (and you are correct by the way. Enterprise was SUPPOSED to be the back to the UN-PC glory that kept trek alive.) <<

I was really excited about Enterprise when I first saw the trailers and promos, and I think alot of people were. But the actual show was a total disappointment. The problem was the show was supposed to be a "prequel" to the original series but was run by people who had never seen TOS. As a result, there was alot of lazy writing and alot of "Picard era" stuff making apperences like a Ferangi episode and a Borg episode, pure lazy writing. I think it went downhill from day one when the "Klingons" Archer encountered for the "first time" looked and acted just like the 24th century "honorable caste system warriors" than the Kirk era trecherous Gengagus Khan-type Klingons (more advanced alien makeup aside, they shouldn't have acted like Klingons from 200 years in the future)

Ironically, the show didn't actually START to follow its premise until the final year it was on the air, and that was became Berman was burnt out and let some people who had watched TOS write episodes, like Mike Sussman, Manny Coto, and Reeve-Stevens husband and wife writing duo. There were a handful of great episodes in the final season. Unfortunately, it was too little, too late.

>> I disagree with one aspect. The LESS Roddenberry was involved in trek, the better it was. In TOS, it got worse as Roddenberry became more involved, in TNG the first and second seasons hold the same pattern. <<

I don't know if that really makes sense. Most fans would say the first and second seasons of TOS were better than the third, and those were the two Roddenberry oversaw day-to-day. By the third season he was kicked upstairs to executive producer and only wrote one episode, and the series suffered as a result. Most people will agree that the originally Roddenbery-written pilot "The Cage" was superior to the episode that eventually aired as the replacement pilot "Where No Man Has Gone Before", On the other hand, you could make a good case that the later Star Trek movies (2-6) were better than "Star Trek: The Motion Picture", which Roddenberry had complete creative control over.

Roddenberry was a mixed bag, IMO. Alot of conservatives didn't like him because he was an avowed athetist, but Roddenberry was a very creative guy who filled Star Trek with HUMAN sitautions and lively characthers, as compared to the technobabble soap opera garbage that Rick Berman did in the 90s era Star Trek. Roddenberry was totally against that and always said Star Trek was about people and not about gizmos and space battles and starfleet regulations. He was 100% right on that point and Berman NEVER "got it"

I think Roddenberry did take too much credit for TOS's success, and much of what made TOS work was Gene Coon's contribution. He died in 1973 so Roddenberry just took credit for Coon's stuff. The two Genes probably contributed equally to TOS and Roddenberry on his own was never as good as he was when Coon was working on the show.

<< But still, PC has always been bad news for trek no matter where it came from. (getting rid of DC Fontana was a plus too) <<

As for Berman, he did a fine job when he stayed OUT of the creative process and just oversaw the production aspects of the show. As you noted, TNG improved over its first two seasons when Berman got the show back on track in the third season and hired some excellent writers, art designers, etc. to overhaul the show. Berman was good at running things and coordinating the staff to get Trek episodes to come out polished and professional looking. There is no doubt the "later" TNG episodes looked more realistic than the campy earlier ones that Roddenberry producered.

That being said, Star Trek started to fall apart when Berman decided he could be a writer. The early Deep Space Nine stuff was terrible, and when Berman finally decided he should personally do the day-to-day writing on Enterprise, it became completely unwatchable. The PC characthers he created on Enterprise were some of the worst in Trek's history (southern hillbilly engineer, making a Vulcan a walking sex toy, token black guy, etc.), and clearly the only stories he was comfortable with was TNG era stuff, so all the ship's technology and culture actually functioned better the "prequel" than they would 100 years "later" in Kirk's era, like the "brand new" transporters. Completely unbeliveable and stale writing.

23 posted on 07/24/2008 1:47:20 PM PDT by BillyBoy (Support Operation Chaos!)
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To: nickcarraway

“...only Royal Shakespeare Company or production related memorabilia will be signed by members of the company....the sheer volume of requests means that we need to set some limits which will be as fair as possible for everyone.”

Follow the money.


24 posted on 07/24/2008 1:49:50 PM PDT by weegee (Obama loves America like Bill loves Hillary.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Ees et too late, gov’ner, fer Mister Dick Van Dyke to play the good Doctor?


25 posted on 07/24/2008 1:51:11 PM PDT by weegee (Obama loves America like Bill loves Hillary.)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker

Why listen to the bard when they can be their own filksingers?


26 posted on 07/24/2008 1:52:51 PM PDT by weegee (Obama loves America like Bill loves Hillary.)
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To: BillyBoy

I can see all your points.

I think these actors are suffering from “I am not Spock” syndrome in trying to get away from their most popular characters.

I also think the company is a tiny bit jealous that BUT FOR the ST and Dr.Who connection they would not be getting the same response.

(of course would fans pay money to see Britany Spears, Lindsay Lohan, or even paris hilton play juliet? [who ends up dead]?)


27 posted on 07/24/2008 1:56:06 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: BillyBoy

Roddenberry had an ENTIRE Timeline History laid out that Enterprise could have followed, but the producers chose to go the other way instead.

It’s very clear from later explanations that the “Klingons” of the early ST were half-breeds and subject classes, thus probably accounting for the Agressiveness. Contact with “True” klingons in the beginning would have been rare.

The 1st Earth-Romulan War would have been a MUCH better premise than the stupid time-crossing bs they chose.

Although Enterprise’s “EMPIRE” episode was great!


28 posted on 07/24/2008 2:02:40 PM PDT by tcrlaf (I Refuse To Inject Myself With The "Hopium" Obama Is Selling)
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To: Overtaxed

I forgot that one. Hysterical. Once you get the Doctor you will never go back!!!


29 posted on 07/24/2008 2:08:13 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Constantly choosing the lesser of two evils is still choosing evil.)
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To: mad_as_he$$

Heh. He really didn’t like his companion (Peri at the time) laughing at his ride.


30 posted on 07/24/2008 2:10:05 PM PDT by Overtaxed (Carbon dioxide...make it for the trees.)
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To: longtermmemmory

Well they aren’t going into the play, they’re waiting outside the stage door with bags of stuff to get signed. I can see the complaint, especially when you’re talking bags of stuff. Polite autograph seekers know no more than 1 or 2 things for stand up stage door sessions, guys just finished a days work and are looking for some food and shut eye and here comes the dork with the plastic ears and an hours worth of crap they want signed.


31 posted on 07/24/2008 2:16:01 PM PDT by boogerbear
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To: weegee
Why listen to the bard when they can be their own filksingers?

Good one. I had to look up the word, 'filk' to grasp the full meaning of what you're saying.

Yes, there is a lot of that going on at the sci-fi conventions. Not to mention cabaret shows, costume balls, ice cream socials, etc.

32 posted on 07/24/2008 2:52:00 PM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker (While the truncheon may be used in lieu of conversation, words will always retain their power.)
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To: BillyBoy

I thought the first seaon of STTNG was the worst myself. By the third season, it improved greatly. I gave up on it early in the second year and didn’t start watching again regularly until it was on in reruns daily.

I then discovered it had improved.


33 posted on 07/24/2008 3:33:51 PM PDT by packrat35 (If mccain is the answer-it must have been a REALLY stupid question)
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To: boogerbear

You nailed it. These are not “fans” of the actors but fans and dealers of past shows. They aren’t seeing the current show at all.


34 posted on 07/24/2008 3:36:01 PM PDT by packrat35 (If mccain is the answer-it must have been a REALLY stupid question)
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To: nickcarraway
Here's a link to a site the has a wealth of info about The Doctors, past and present.

Dr Who

35 posted on 07/24/2008 4:01:56 PM PDT by csvset
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To: packrat35

i grew up watching TNG,i liked DS9 (altough i hated VOY-there were only maybe 3 or 4 eps that i can watch),when i went to college i discovered TOS.
now ENT,is really hit or miss:i liked the Romulan eps,but i hated the xindi storyline.i really wished they would have gone into the Earth-Rom conflict


36 posted on 07/24/2008 4:20:41 PM PDT by InvincibleMoon
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To: InvincibleMoon

I gave up on Star Trek after 2 seasons of DS9. People told me it got better but I had moved on. Tried to watch Voyager and Enterprise a couple of times but the magic was gone for me.


37 posted on 07/24/2008 4:30:03 PM PDT by packrat35 (If mccain is the answer-it must have been a REALLY stupid question)
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