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Del Toro refuses to copy Jackson
TheOneRing.Net ^ | July 19, 2008 | xoanon

Posted on 07/21/2008 8:17:12 PM PDT by Oyarsa

Del Toro refuses to copy Jackson July 19th, 2008 by xoanon | Discuss

From Maxim and World Entertainment News: Guillermo Del Toro has promised Lord Of The Rings fans his franchise prequel The Hobbit will be very different from his directing predecessor Peter Jackson. Jackson directed the three original films, but has given up his director’s chair for Del Toro. But Del Toro has refused to follow in Jackson’s footsteps, vowing to give movie fans something new. He tells Maxim magazine, “If I thought it was about following (Jackson), I wouldn’t be doing it this way. “It’s a matter of raising on it. I think The Hobbit has a peculiar sprit in relation to not only the trilogy, but also to Tolkein’s work. “It’ll have respect for what’s been done, but also its own individuality.”


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; Music/Entertainment; The Hobbit Hole
KEYWORDS: deltoro; hobbit; jackson
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
Really, the only good part of the Rankin-Bass HOBBIT .. Bilbo (Orson Bean) meets Smaug (Richard Boone).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uvPXTDKwWM

41 posted on 07/24/2008 3:07:38 PM PDT by BlueLancer (Teach the children quietly, for someday sons and daughters will rise up & fight while we stood still)
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To: Oyarsa
re: He also made delibrate changes; he didn't have to emasculate most of the male characters)))

I did wonder why Aragorn seemed so self-doubting--"choosing" exile as the movie Elrond said. Very twentieth-century angst-ridden--

One change Jackson made was actually an improvement over the books--making Arwen a real character by switching her out with Gildor and drawing from the Appendices for her background. She was rather a cardboard doll in the books, and most readers couldn't comprehend why Aragorn would prefer Arwen to Eowyn.

42 posted on 07/24/2008 6:42:20 PM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: Oyarsa

I hope Del Toro keeps the look of LOTR but vastly improves on Peter Jackson’s ham-handed plot and character development.


43 posted on 09/07/2008 7:14:07 AM PDT by JohnnyZ (This gun for hire)
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To: Darkwolf377
The changes you note are rather minor and, frankly, I don’t see how they “emasculate” the characters you mention.

PJ absolutely destroyed, wrecked, butchered Aragorn and Faramir.

Just a minor tweak to some minor characters?

44 posted on 09/07/2008 7:19:01 AM PDT by JohnnyZ (This gun for hire)
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To: Oyarsa
Jackson's wife is co-writing and Jackson is the producer. Del Toro is a very very good director. But Jackson will be signing his paychecks and I doubt Del Toro will stray too far off the farm.

On the other hand Del Toro is very right in the sense that The Hobbit is a very different book than LOTR.

45 posted on 09/07/2008 7:23:42 AM PDT by Artemis Webb (Sarah Palin: Babies, Guns, Jesus. HOT DAMN!)
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To: Billthedrill
Mortenson was an immature disaster of an actor

Exactly. A lot of the blame for the butchering of Aragorn can be laid on the casting choice. No blood for oil, lolol, I mean, I'm a lover not a fighter, I mean, I'm the greatest hero of my age who's been leading armies and journeying in the wilderness for 100+ years, no wait I'm a B movie actor.

46 posted on 09/07/2008 7:25:25 AM PDT by JohnnyZ (This gun for hire)
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To: JohnnyZ
"PJ absolutely destroyed, wrecked, butchered Aragorn and Faramir."

No he didn't. Aragorn was handled well and with great loyalty to the character. Faramir was not as decisive and strong as he was in the novel (though I really liked the scene in the extended version where he grabbed Smeagol by the throat) but I would not call his character "destroyed, wrecked and butchered".

My biggest problem with the movies was Arwen. It was popcorn and restroom time every time she showed up. Besides, poor Glorfindel got erased to give Arwen more screen time.

47 posted on 09/07/2008 7:31:25 AM PDT by Artemis Webb (Sarah Palin: Babies, Guns, Jesus. HOT DAMN!)
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To: Artemis Webb
Aragorn was handled well and with great loyalty to the character.

There is more screen time of Aragorn shifting his weight from hip to hip and posing for the camera than of him fighting, leading, showing nobility of character.

48 posted on 09/07/2008 7:37:32 AM PDT by JohnnyZ (This gun for hire)
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To: Oyarsa
The Hellboy movie Del Toro did this summer has me looking forward to his Hobbit.
49 posted on 09/07/2008 7:47:28 AM PDT by denydenydeny ("[Obama acts] as if the very idea of permanent truth is passe, a form of bad taste"-Shelby Steele)
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To: JohnnyZ
PJ absolutely destroyed, wrecked, butchered Aragorn and Faramir. Just a minor tweak to some minor characters?

That's merely your opinion. Others didn't see Jackson's necessary compacting of details as leaving the characters "absolutely destroyed, wrecked, butchered". Your earlier gripe was also about Merry and Pippin who were, indeed minor characters.

Most of the complaining about this movie is from folks who clearly have no idea what goes into adapting a novel. There are simply too many characters in these books to make them all perfect. Most people accept this reality.

50 posted on 09/07/2008 2:56:46 PM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Sarah Palin--the man Biden and Obama wish they could be.)
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To: Darkwolf377
Others didn't see Jackson's necessary compacting of details as leaving the characters "absolutely destroyed, wrecked, butchered".

Compacting details has nothing to do with Aragorn. Argue away if you please, but you look like a fool trying to put words in my mouth.

PJ dramatically changed Aragorn's character from a man driven to the fulfillment of 100+ years of heroism toward a nearly impossible goal to an indecisive pansy. It was a complete joke based on the simplistic belief that every character needed to have a stilted, ham-handed character "arc" that was more like a couple of 180s.

51 posted on 09/07/2008 3:18:47 PM PDT by JohnnyZ (This gun for hire)
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To: JohnnyZ
Compacting details has nothing to do with Aragorn. Argue away if you please, but you look like a fool trying to put words in my mouth.

Jeez, lighten up--I wasn't "putting words in your mouth"--but then, I didn't know you were a LOTR queen. Have fun with your Aragorn "action figure"/doll and playing Dungeons and Dragons. :)

52 posted on 09/07/2008 5:41:51 PM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Sarah Palin--the man Biden and Obama wish they could be.)
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To: Darkwolf377
Have fun with your Aragorn "action figure"/doll and playing Dungeons and Dragons. :)

You're posting on an online message board in a section called "The Hobbit Hole". Not a good place to be throwing stones.

53 posted on 09/07/2008 9:08:34 PM PDT by JohnnyZ (This gun for hire)
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To: JohnnyZ
You're posting on an online message board in a section called "The Hobbit Hole". Not a good place to be throwing stones.

Have no idea what you're talking about--The Hobbit Hole sounds like some gay Tolkien fan thing. :D This article was in Miscellaneous when I saw it.

Enjoying the movies doesn't make me one of these silly Tolkien freaks who cry because three massive books weren't transferred perfectly.

54 posted on 09/07/2008 9:14:46 PM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Sarah Palin--the man Biden and Obama wish they could be.)
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To: JohnnyZ
You're posting on an online message board in a section called "The Hobbit Hole". Not a good place to be throwing stones.

Have no idea what you're talking about--The Hobbit Hole sounds like some gay Tolkien fan thing. :D This article was in Miscellaneous when I saw it.

Enjoying the movies doesn't make me one of these silly Tolkien freaks who cry because three massive books weren't transferred perfectly.

55 posted on 09/07/2008 9:15:00 PM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Sarah Palin--the man Biden and Obama wish they could be.)
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To: Darkwolf377
Enjoying the movies doesn't make me one of these silly Tolkien freaks who cry because three massive books weren't transferred perfectly.

Massive books? A lot goes on, but they're traditionally published as little paperbacks. Have you even read them? Do you read chapter books?

56 posted on 09/07/2008 9:26:00 PM PDT by JohnnyZ (This gun for hire)
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To: JohnnyZ
Massive books? A lot goes on, but they're traditionally published as little paperbacks. Have you even read them? Do you read chapter books?

Don't get so mad, you'll set your elf's cap on fire.

548 pages does not constitute a "little paperback," you utter fool.

Go argue how many wizards can dance on the head of pinhead like yourself with some of your other doltish friends, who have little contact with reality and can't discuss a movie based on your fantasy without crying.

57 posted on 09/07/2008 9:32:22 PM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Sarah Palin--the man Biden and Obama wish they could be.)
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