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Texas agrees to reunite 12 polygamist sect children with parents for now
CBC News ^ | May 23, 2008 | Michelle Roberts

Posted on 05/23/2008 6:50:19 PM PDT by FreeInWV

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1 posted on 05/23/2008 6:50:19 PM PDT by FreeInWV
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State child welfare authorities on Friday appealed a stinging court ruling that said their seizure of more than 440 children from a polygamist sect's ranch was unjustified, but they also agreed to reunite 12 children with their parents while the case moves on.

Isn't that really special of CPS. /s

2 posted on 05/23/2008 6:54:10 PM PDT by politicalwit (AKA... A Tradition Continues...Now a Hoosier Freeper)
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Hey. They are above the law. Didn’t you know that?


3 posted on 05/23/2008 7:21:30 PM PDT by Seruzawa (A skeleton walks into a bar and asks for a beer and a mop.)
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To: FreeInWV
960 kilometres

Ya just git back on your on side there Yukon King , and keep your damn kilometres out of Texas .

4 posted on 05/23/2008 7:26:43 PM PDT by kbennkc (For those who have fought for it , freedom has a flavor the protected will never know)
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To: FreeInWV

The state wanted to make it look like they are being compassionate. Woopee, they released 12 kids under strict scrutiny. Oh, well, those 12 kids are better off now.

I think the action makes TX CPS look bad, though, because they have just admitted that those 12 kids were not being abused by their parents.


5 posted on 05/23/2008 7:40:46 PM PDT by Saundra Duffy (For victory & freedom!!!)
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“The families cannot return to the Yearning For Zion ranch, where they lived before the raid. “

My husband’s theory is starting to make more and more sense. He says someone wants the ranch property really bad. The FLDS paid $700,000 for it and now it’s worth millions after FLDS made improvements.

One of the stipulations for release of the 12 children is that they not be allowed to return to their home. Interesting.


6 posted on 05/23/2008 7:43:33 PM PDT by Saundra Duffy (For victory & freedom!!!)
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Another issue that most overlook is that CPS hired an additional 70 staff to manage this effort. If a judge rules that all (or nearly all) children are returned, what will happen to the new staff? What about the embarassment and legal costs of botching this? If they do not retain custody, the CPS will fall upon very hard times.


7 posted on 05/23/2008 7:51:20 PM PDT by FreeInWV
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I read that one of the girls that they were holding in foster care and claiming was 16 turned out to be 23. Sounds like grounds for a false imprisonment lawsuit if their ever was one...


8 posted on 05/23/2008 8:25:18 PM PDT by apillar
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The agency accused parents of being unco-operative and not providing proper identification - though in dozens of individual custody hearings this week, parents provided state-issued birth certificates. Other sect members mistakenly believed to be minors also provided drivers' licenses as proof of their age.

Every day, more things the CPS told us are found not to be true.

9 posted on 05/23/2008 8:55:35 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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If they return the kids, those 70 new CPS workers will all have to go find other “clients”. Which means if you have some neighbors that are particularly picky, you better get out and cut your yards nice and neat, or they might come visit you.


10 posted on 05/23/2008 8:57:43 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: FreeInWV
CPS said in its appeal to the Texas Supreme Court that the appeal court was wrong to say that the vast majority of children at the ranch did not face the sort of extreme danger state law requires for them to

This is a lie. They know it's a lie. They're just piling lies upon lies upon more lies.

Texas law is NOT unambiguous on this. It QUITE clearly states that there must be "immediate danger" before children can be taken from their parents.

IMMEDIATE. The word is in the law. The law doesn't say anything about "extreme danger." It cites "IMMEDIATE danger!"

Jeez. Think they got that yet?? IMMEDIATE NOT EXTREME!

11 posted on 05/23/2008 10:18:04 PM PDT by HeartlandOfAmerica (Don't blame me - I voted for Fred and am STILL a FredHead!)
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In justifying their removal of the children from the ranch, Child Protective Services cited as "documented" sexual abuse a statement from a girl who said she knew a 16-year-old who is married with a five-month-old baby; and the statement from another girl that "Uncle Merrill" decides who and when she will marry. The state also cited five underage pregnant girls.

Is this the lying little weasel that sparked this whole hoax, that suddenly nobody can actually find?

More lies. Their case is nothing but lies.

12 posted on 05/23/2008 10:21:41 PM PDT by HeartlandOfAmerica (Don't blame me - I voted for Fred and am STILL a FredHead!)
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The agency cited evidence it said showed that the church pushed teenage girls into spiritual marriages with older men.

So now they are saying that the marriages were only 'spiritual' marriages, and not marriages in the traditional sense?

13 posted on 05/23/2008 11:08:18 PM PDT by PAR35
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If you truly believe that the FLDS cult is harmless, you will watch this video. Five or more former members of the FLDS speak of their experiences and how and why they left. They do not include Flora Jessop or Carolyn Jessop.

If you are seriously interested in the truth, I believe you need to watch this video before making any further comments.

http://www.lhvm.org/vid_lvp.htm

14 posted on 05/24/2008 1:31:52 AM PDT by IIntense (o)
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If you are seriously interested in the truth,

You're wasting your time with this crew, especially Saundra. No matter how much "truth" you put before them, they just can't get their heads out of the sand long enough to see or understand how vicious and how cunning this polygamy cult really is.

Saundra's hysterical posts are nothing more than FLDS talking points, written and released by "Big Willie" Jessup, who was Warren Jeff's body guard and chief enforcer.

15 posted on 05/24/2008 5:19:23 AM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner ("We must not forget that there is a war on and our troops are in the thick of it!"--Duncan Hunter)
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16 posted on 05/24/2008 7:51:48 AM PDT by DannyTN
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they have just admitted that those 12 kids were not being abused by their parents

CPS never alleged that any specific parents were directly abusing their own children, but rather that the parents were condoning the abuse of adolescent girls and training all the boys and girls to believe that it was appropriate for adolescent girls to "marry" older men upon the command of the "prophet". Needless to say, the "prophet" has been convicted of a sex crime involving a minor and is currently on trial for additional sex crimes involving minors. All the parents were teaching their children to worship this prophet and follow all his orders unquestioningly, and the proof was his framed portrait hanging in all the homes and the schoolrooms.

As CPS identifies parents and matches them to children, and learns about the individuals in various families, it's perfectly appropriate to start allowing some parents to live with their children. Allowing them to go back to the ranch, which is essentially one big shrine to the "prophet", have been designed and built to his precise specifications, and being inhabited only by people who worship this "prophet", would clearly be resuming the brainwashing to worship this child sex convict. That would NOT be appropriate. Hopefully, some of the families will take advantage of the experience of living outside the control of the cult, to figure out that they were all (including the adults) being abused by the cult leaders, and decide not to rejoin it.

17 posted on 05/24/2008 7:15:56 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: PAR35
So now they are saying that the marriages were only 'spiritual' marriages, and not marriages in the traditional sense?

Like many terms, the LDS and FLDS have different meanings for "marriage" than others might (e.g., like "eternal life" doesn't mean "immortality").

It's not like the FLDS folks are changing what they're saying, though, from what I understand.

18 posted on 05/24/2008 8:19:32 PM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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I read that one of the girls that they were holding in foster care and claiming was 16 turned out to be 23. Sounds like grounds for a false imprisonment lawsuit if their ever was one...

Funny thing is that there were government-issued IDs shown, too, from what I've read.

Seems like they were so blinded by what they assumed was going on, they got tunnel vision and really screwed things up. And you and I will end up paying for it.

19 posted on 05/24/2008 8:21:57 PM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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I wasn’t as clear as I should have been. I was suggesting that it was the state, not the cult members, who had been less than honest.


20 posted on 05/24/2008 8:34:33 PM PDT by PAR35
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