Posted on 05/14/2008 8:07:49 AM PDT by Namyak
Fool! You still must work within the confines of the law. You can't make it up as you go. This was a violation of civil rights. This chief must resign immediately!
unfortunatly the majority of police officers see themselves as sheep dogs rather than actual law enforcement.
For states with preemption laws, localities can not suppress gun owners rights beyond what the state prescribes. My state (NC) has a preemption law, but I'm not sure about PA.
I'm not saying that won't stop certain municipalities from trying.
re: “They are good guys, not JBT”
I don’t know these police officers, and I certainly don’t know whether they are good or JBT or something in the middle. I just wanted to point out that JBTs can sometimes appear to be “good” guys. The phrase “the banality of evil,” attributed to Hannah Arendt, applies to just such a situation where evil is done by those who appear to be “good guys.”
“I fear the time is coming where we will have to water that tree of liberty...”
With the current government openly flooding our borders with illegal, disloyal, dependent, and ignorant peasants who don’t know our Constitution from a roll of toilet paper and couldn’t care less, what I fear is that the time for watering is already too late.
The article isn’t very clear on details. Did Old Country Buffet complain about them which they have every right to do? Or did the police take it upon themselves?
In Virginia, municipalities are not allowed to have any gun restrictions which are stricter than the state law.
I recommend it to ALL the states and commonwealths (if they don’t already have such a provision).
The Old Country Buffet has the right to ask them to leave if they were deemed to be some sort of problem.
They had NO business calling the police unless the customers refused to to honor the request to leave.
Sorry to hear that. In Montgomery County, it’s a rubber stamp, while-you-wait process, and about the only actual “waiting” is for your photo to dry so they can laminate your card before they give it to you.
I believe there was a criminal offense:
Deprivation of rights under color of law.
Ignorance of this law and of the open carry laws do not excuse the officers.
I think it's all about where you grew up - I've spent my life in a Philly suburb. A while back a friend (with valid carry permit) came over to my house and pulled out his new .380 to show me. I freaked a little because I was sure someone would see in the window and call the police.
I contrast that with this experience: A few months ago I was driving in Naticoke on my way to visit my cousin who was in the Mercy Acute Care Center. I saw two men nonchalantly comparing rifles out by a truck parked on a house-lined suburban street. I knew right away I was in the mountains and no longer at home!
Naticoke = Nanticoke
At what point in time were they causing a threat to customers?
I am sick and tired of this double standard. They committed a crime. Depriving people of their civil rights without due process is a crime. Period. Cops should not have immunity from that crime because those laws are there because of this EXACT THING. Why should they get a pass for doing what the laws and constitution was written SPECIFICALLY TO PREVENT.
Since you know these officers I suggest that you speak with them and suggest that they get up todate on exactly what the law says regarding open carry.
They could have responded to the call, observed the ‘offenders’ for five minutes to determine just what sort of folks they were and even walked through the restaurant in uniform to see if there was an obvious change in their demeanor. No change = keep going/do not confront citizens.
If they give you any nonsense, please remind them of the difference between citizen and subject.
Ya’know...generally I’m as strident as you in matters of personal rights violations. However, in this case, I just don’t agree that this thing should be drawn out and pushed as a civil rights case. You wrote, “depriving people of their civil rights without due procees is a crime.” That’s true. But, the aggrieved party can reclaim his property, according to the Police. The PT Officers are getting some (badly needed) education. And, the citizenry is safe.
Why not focus the moral outrage on the gun-grabbing Libs who could well take the WH in November?
OTOH...you could be right. I just don’t think this is one to bunch the skivvies.
Either way...keep fighting the good fight. We’ll come out on top.
pretty big damn oops, for mere peasants, this alone would be a violation costing 2A Rights...
ping
These fellows ought to be commended. There is no rule that reads that defenders of the consitution cannot take the offensive. We’ve been on defense (on balance) for decades.
You fear the time is only coming?
It’s been here a long time, FRiend.
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