[george76]

These two have been fighting for a while. A long time local rancher following the ranching practices set since the 1800’s versus a city slicker with no common sense ?

These types of problems are exploding because city slickers with lots of money ( think Ted Turner ) are buying up working ranches, then get mad that they are next to other working ranches.

You need a very massive and tall steel fence for buffalo and elk; Buffalo will easily walk thru three wires and some posts.

The city slicker hired some ‘hunters’ to kill the buffalo that tresspassed. Apparently, some of the buffalo were killed on federal land.

The sherriff has been very quiet so far.

Others may know some more.

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This is just the latest :

Longtime Colorado rancher Monte Downare filed the lawsuit in Park County District Court Tuesday against Austin, Texas, businessman Jeff Hawn ...

Throughout the West, many states still adhere to the open-range principle, a throwback to the 1800s that says it is not a rancher’s responsibility to keep livestock fenced in — it’s everyone else’s job to keep them out.

If you don’t want someone else’s cow on your land, the law goes, build a fence. If the cow crosses your fence, you can lock it up until its owner retrieves it, and you can sue the owner for damages.

But you can not kill it.

In Colorado’s high country, transplanted city dwellers tend to have trouble understanding the idea...

In the mountain valley at 10,000 feet known as South Park ... ranchers are doing a slow boil over what they consider a terrible breach of the local code of ethics demanding that neighbors help each other out.

“You work together,” said Timm Armstrong, who runs a herd of longhorn cattle, as well as a truck stop at the edge of town.

By most accounts, Monte and Vaughn Downare and Jeff Hawn didn’t have that kind of relationship. The Downares have lived and ranched here a long time, according to locals; Hawn, who lives in Austin, Texas, bought his 362-acre Colorado ranch in 1995.

When he arrived, Hawn built a fence to keep out intruding livestock, according to a lawsuit he has filed against the Downares.

Colorado law spells out what constitutes such a fence: three strands of barbed wire, with posts set 20 feet apart, “sufficient to turn away ordinary horses and cattle.”

This spring, the Downares contend in their counterclaim, Hawn and his Denver lawyer, Stephen Csajaghy, “conspired to hire” hunters to shoot the animals.

On March 19, the carcasses were found on the Hawn ranch, other private property and nearby federal lands. The sheriff quickly rounded up 14 hunters who were camping on Hawn’s property. They said they had been given permission to shoot the bison, but who gave them that permission is part of the investigation, Gore said.

Throughout Park County, where a stray cow or wandering bison is hardly an oddity, people fumed.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2004391154_bison04.html?syndication=rss

[jazusamo]

Thanks, it sounds like they’ve been feuding for a while.

The jerk in Texas sounds like he doesn’t give a hoot about the whole thing and if it costs him a few bucks, so be it, he can afford it.

Might be wrong but it also sounds like the Sheriff doesn’t want any part of it.

[jazusamo]

Thanks, it sounds like they’ve been feuding for a while.

The jerk in Texas sounds like he doesn’t give a hoot about the whole thing and if it costs him a few bucks, so be it, he can afford it.

Might be wrong but it also sounds like the Sheriff doesn’t want any part of it.

[MtnClimber]

The county I live in gets lots of city slickers that move in, usually for only a short period of time. They are a constant nuisance to the sherrifs department due to the numerous complaints. The county government printed up a “County Primer” for new residents explaining the realities of living in a rural Colorado environment. The most amusing thing I saw in the primer was the statement “do not call us if a coyote eats your cat”.

I think the bison shooters are in big trouble.

[girlangler]

“When he arrived, Hawn built a fence to keep out intruding livestock, according to a lawsuit he has filed against the Downares.”

Wonder if Hawn is one of those “environmentalists” opposed to grazing on nearby federal lands?

I agree with you two, these aren’t hunters, not even in the same class as any hunters I know.

Some of the dead bison were found on federal land huh? These idiots are going to face some hefty fines for that I’d bet. Even though this is privately owned livestock, there’s laws governing hunting, killing animals on federal property.

[familyop]

"The sheriff has been very quiet so far.

Others may know some more."

Actually, some "city slickers" get along well with their ranching neighbors, and some who pretend to be very agricultural ("pioneers," even) are more oriented toward committing crimes.

I don't know much about that case, but there are other similar cases. It appears to me, that the local authorities are trying avoid being involved in "feuds" between neighbors. But that policy, if generalized too far, tends to favor local criminals (and sometimes, their associates in local government), who are committing crimes against law-abiding neighbors. My advice to law enforcement (although I'm not a lawyer): if you tell a victim that their case is only a "civil matter," you should first make sure that it is.

BTW, when there's a methamphetamine/cocaine problem in a rural area (especially an area full of militant homosexual activists and other social lefties), cases that appear on the surface to be a "feud" (but aren't) will eventually become too frequent.

Notice that Park County has Bailey in the north end and Guffey in the South.

[rellimpank]

—thanks for the ping—

[familyop]

And also BTW, george76, there might be a need in a Dept. to have at least some personnel to review and practice interviews and interrogations (techniques, differences between the two, etc.).

[girlangler]

I replied to this ping once and my post disappeared, so I’ll try again:

I wonder if this Mr. Hawn is one of those “environmentalists” that is opposed to ranchers’ livestock grazing on public land? Perhaps that is why some of these were shot on public land?

I also agree that these shooters aren’t hunters, they’re idiots, not in the same class as amy hunter I know.

Killing these (even privately owned) animals on public land will most likely cost them dearly.