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To: mek1959

“Like a marriage that has gone bad, I believe there are enough irreconcilable differences between those who want to control and those want to be left alone that divorce is the only peaceable alternative.

Just as in a marriage, where vows are broken, our human rights protections guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution have been grossly violated by a government instituted to protect them. Americans who are responsible for and support constitutional abrogation have no intention of mending their ways.”

Unfortunately that question was answered bloodily in 1861-1865. Those who want to be left alone will be kept in the marriage by force of arms by those who want to control.


2 posted on 04/29/2008 11:29:56 AM PDT by tueffelhunden
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To: tueffelhunden

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Those who want to be left alone will be kept in the marriage by force of arms by those who want to control.
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And thus the government my ancestors vivified by delegation of their own sovereignty so that they may partake of the blessings of liberty is now a Leviathan, a predatory beast that exists more for its own benefit than for the benefit of those from whom it extracts taxes.

Indeed, supporters of this form of government even talk in the open media about the net income government “gets” from illegal immigrants, as if we should decide this issue based on our collective ability to plunder them as well.


3 posted on 04/29/2008 11:42:50 AM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: tueffelhunden
Unfortunately that question was answered bloodily in 1861-1865. Those who want to be left alone will be kept in the marriage by force of arms by those who want to control.

There has been continuance, change and new ideas up until quite recently. Nothing stopped in 1865. I would have to research to get an accurate grasp on the current status.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Texas_(group)

8 posted on 04/29/2008 11:56:23 AM PDT by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: tueffelhunden

“Unfortunately that question was answered bloodily in 1861-1865. Those who want to be left alone will be kept in the marriage by force of arms by those who want to control.”

Yep.

“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.” - John F. Kennedy


22 posted on 04/29/2008 12:47:24 PM PDT by AuntB ('If there must be trouble let it be in my day, that my child may have peace." T. Paine)
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To: tueffelhunden
Unfortunately that question was answered bloodily in 1861-1865. Those who want to be left alone will be kept in the marriage by force of arms by those who want to control.

I don't always agree with Walter Williams but he is right on in this case. You hit the nail on the head, basically the Civil War was about two nations, one with 22 million people, fairly industrialized beating up on another nation of around 9 million that is agrarian. The former, which is stronger, won although to some or many, the right side lost. I do think The South did have legit grievances and they would have had my support if I lived then but the Civil War decided how far the Federal government can go despite the limitations of the Constitution and State's Rights. It's a shame, really. Of course this could happen in the future, so who knows.
41 posted on 04/29/2008 4:05:42 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (Is Barak HUSSEIN Obama the Anti-Christ? "Barak Ho-Tep!! Barak Ho-Tep!")
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