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Apple's OS Edge Is a Threat to Microsoft
BusinessWeek ^ | 04/11/2008 | by Gary Morgenthaler

Posted on 04/12/2008 2:04:10 AM PDT by Swordmaker

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To: antiRepublicrat
I take it you mean one upgrade cycle? Remember, we're on 10.5 right now, the sixth release. Apple dot releases tend to have more improvements than the 2K to XP upgrade.

how many Fortune 100 or 500 companies have torn out Windows infrastructure and replaced it with OS X and Macs?

281 posted on 04/15/2008 2:19:14 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: dan1123

Sorry, no. The major driving force in profits for Apple is *still* their Macintosh computers. See their quarterly statements.


282 posted on 04/15/2008 4:51:04 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: discostu
It’s against my nature but you blew this one at least as big as I blew the settlement. They did not buy Stac http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stac

You are right.

I told you what one of the original seven founders of the company told me. I must have misunderstood. He told me they "bought Stacker" for quite a large sum of money. I assumed that Stacker and Stac were the same thing: the company. That resulted in me making an ass out of myself.

It may be that my acquaintance was practicing some "Spin" when he told me the story of what had happened to his company.

Thank you for showing me my error. I will not repeat it and when I see it published on the Net... as it has been... then I will correct that wrong information as well. I apologize for misleading you.

And thank you for admitting you "blew the [Apple] settlement" as I blew this one.

You did see that what MS did, in the aftermath of losing the Stac suit, was to buy an exclusive license from Stac for Stacker the disk compression application for a huge amount of money invested in Stac, and a large royalty. Note that MS, to settle the suit, engaged this time in a post trial and verdict settlement agreement to reduce the $109 million court order to save money... and also became an major stock owner of the Stac company, although not the sole owner.

283 posted on 04/15/2008 8:29:01 PM PDT by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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To: dan1123
Their iPod brand is the major driving force of profit. They have AppleTV, the iPhone, accessories, and their own application software. They sell music, movies, television shows, and ringtones.

The Mac computers account for more than 60% of Apple's profits. Read the 10K and 10Qs. That makes the Macs the major driving force of the company.

284 posted on 04/15/2008 10:07:38 PM PDT by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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To: tacticalogic

Pro developer. Other relationships previously.


285 posted on 04/16/2008 7:39:33 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: tacticalogic
how many Fortune 100 or 500 companies have torn out Windows infrastructure and replaced it with OS X and Macs?

Apple is going cautiously with this, mainly courting small business, scientific and supercomputing. You're not going to see a big switch like that until Apple starts wooing the PHBs away from the Microsoft reps. It's also not going to happen until the large IT contractors stop pushing Windows on their clients.

286 posted on 04/16/2008 7:44:51 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: antiRepublicrat
I don't think it's going to happen at all until Apple's manufacturing and distribution channels get substantially upgraded, as long as they insist that the OS has to run on their hardware.

Given the scenario of a company having a disaster that renders their corp. HQ unusable, and the need to get, say 2000 workstations and 200 servers delivered within 48 hours, what kind of shape are they in if it's a Mac shop?

287 posted on 04/16/2008 9:01:27 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: antiRepublicrat
Pro developer. Other relationships previously.

What the biggest Mac/OS X network you've ever set up or worked on?

288 posted on 04/16/2008 9:02:57 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic

I’m done with the grilling.


289 posted on 04/16/2008 9:10:14 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: antiRepublicrat

Hit a nerve?


290 posted on 04/16/2008 9:13:31 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic
I don't think it's going to happen at all until Apple's manufacturing and distribution channels get substantially upgraded, as long as they insist that the OS has to run on their hardware.

Now that Apple's on Intel they're doing just fine. Enterprises have run just fine on one-vendor hardware for years, like Sun.

HQ unusable, and the need to get, say 2000 workstations and 200 servers delivered within 48 hours, what kind of shape are they in if it's a Mac shop?

Apple seems to be able to deliver hundreds or even thousands of servers for supercomputing clusters, so they have the capacity. Whether the channels are there for 48-hour delivery, I don't know. Apple is currently aiming at small and medium business right now. But I've never seen that scenario.

And if you are talking about huge enterprise, there are still better options than Windows. Linux with a hardware contract from Dell or HP and support from Novell or Red Hat for example. Even if you want your desktops Windows, at least put the email, calendaring and file sharing on something other than Windows.

291 posted on 04/16/2008 9:18:30 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: antiRepublicrat
Even if you want your desktops Windows, at least put the email, calendaring and file sharing on something other than Windows.

Do you maintain the users in Windows, or something else? What the solution for managing single sign-on, and getting the the "other than Windows" to recognize Windows security principles for access control?

292 posted on 04/16/2008 9:27:29 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic
You have never heard of a heterogenous infrastructure, have you? One very large network I know is a combination of Windows, Sun and Linux.

Apple has also put a lot of effort into making OS X work seamlessly with Windows. Simple workgroup networking between my Mac and my PC is easier than between two PCs.

293 posted on 04/16/2008 9:49:49 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: antiRepublicrat
I'm kind of familiar with heterogenous networks. We've got Windows workstations and back-end servers, some single-purpose *nix boxes for things like document archival and retrieval, and an IBM mainframe. And I'm familiar with the the problems involve in getting it to all work together.

"Simple workgroup networking" between a couple of computers at you home is one thing. When it has to scale to several thousand, and pass an FDIC security audit it gets a little more complicated.

294 posted on 04/16/2008 10:04:39 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic
"Simple workgroup networking" between a couple of computers at you home is one thing.

It was a simple example. OS X is designed to run networks of Windows systems, or run nicely under Windows networks, and of course it plays nice with the other UNIXes.

295 posted on 04/16/2008 10:13:32 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: antiRepublicrat
It was a simple example. OS X is designed to run networks of Windows systems, or run nicely under Windows networks, and of course it plays nice with the other UNIXes.

As long as you don't worry about it beyond the protocol level, maybe. It doesn't appear to be designed to manage, or be managed by a Windows network.

296 posted on 04/16/2008 10:26:21 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic
It doesn't appear to be designed to manage, or be managed by a Windows network.

You do have to stay within the same vendor to get the very high level of control and monitoring. Hardware monitoring is also a place Mac does better, as Apple knows all the hardware it can be running on, and has designed that hardware to allow monitoring. On the server end, the XServe has over 100 hardware monitors, all processed by a dedicated chip and remotely viewable even if the OS won't boot (Remote Desktop will work in that case too). Very good LOM. Oh yeah, the remote monitoring software for the whole network (hundreds of servers) is included.

297 posted on 04/16/2008 11:33:59 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: antiRepublicrat
You do have to stay within the same vendor to get the very high level of control and monitoring.

What do you consider "very high level"? I'd consider the idea of trying to manage a Windows network of any appreciable size without AD and group policy to be insanity, not inconvenience.

298 posted on 04/16/2008 11:41:28 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic
What do you consider "very high level"?

You are nit-picky, aren't you? You can enforce some policies with OS X Server and Windows clients and vice versa. But neither platform inherently knows the down-and-dirty of the other. With extra software you can lock down OS X clients on an AD network as if you were running them on a Mac network. Vice-versa probably exists.

It looks like you have to go special-case in order to justify Windows in the first place -- we have special Windows-only apps with no alternatives, etc. And even then you could use Citrix or one of the many alternatives to avoid having to run Windows on the client to use Windows server apps.

299 posted on 04/16/2008 12:09:47 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: antiRepublicrat
You are nit-picky, aren't you?

If it's "nit-picky" to take exception to someone telling me I can rip out AD and my Windows back end infratructure, and put in OS X servers and my Windows network will work just like it did before, except it will be easier and cheaper and now I can have Mac workstations too.

300 posted on 04/16/2008 12:42:46 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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