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If homosexuals can't get married does that not make them as free as straights?

Ahh, but homosexuals can get married. They have the exact same rules and restrictions as heterosexuals do in terms of obligations to that legal contract. In a marriage contract, one must marry someone of the opposite sex who is not a close relative and meets his or her State's age requirements. Those rules don't change no matter what a person's sexual orientation is. One may argue that this means that homosexuals cannot marry whom they love- but the requirement of marrying someone you love is no where in the legal contract for marriage. How many strait people do that? No, there are absolutely no differences in marriage laws for homosexuals and heterosexuals, they are bound by the same legal obligations for that contract.

In general, we don’t “feel” about issues, we think.

Sanctioning homosexual marriage would be condoning behavior that is destructive. God doesn’t state His rules for any arbitrary reasons. If you THINK about the reasons why these rules exist, you’ll see that humankind would be better off following them than ignoring them.

Women should be free to work or not, but there should be no social or government imposed economic penalties for choosing either. Excess taxation to support social programs (that in and of themselves are destructive) imposes an economic penalty on a family for choosing to have mom stay at home.

Homosexuals getting married is against the basic human moralities that marriage is a sacred institution between a man and a woman. I don’t care what they do behind closed doors, but it does affect my children and how they see things if they are allowed to see it as normal for men to be with men and women to be with women.

I have seen NOTHING in this thread saying that women shouldn’t be in the work force. I am a working mother, and have never been belittled for working to provide for my children.

I am trying to believe you are truly looking for enlightenment, but some of your questions seem to be loaded.

I do believe in God, but doesn’t God and religion in general preach of the well-being of all humans?

I am afraid that like many that have a casual approach to the Jewish and Christian faiths you have allowed someone to substitute general French Enlightenment sentimentality for true Christian Virtue.

It works like this: Any hair-brained rationalistic scheme to take the wisdom of the ages or just general convention and morality and chuck it out the window begins with trumping up a flaw or problem.

That problem is magnified into a crisis and then the crisis is made more powerful by saying that it violates some readily generic Enlightenment sentiment. Equality, freedom and children are the most often used.

Generally that sentiment is proposed as a tenant of true religion, or at a minimum, presented as a worthy moral precept.

We must remember that progressives responding to the solutions that stalemated socialism came up with Fascism and that when originally applied by Mussolini and Woodrow Wilson it was an exciting idea. So exciting that full governmental answers were celebrated. Mussolini's group had a new term for this total answer and it was celebrated as a wonderful solution: Totalitarianism.

If you are going to let central government decide what marriage is rather than the entire course of civilization, then you are a foolish youngster.

You aren't a fool, are you?

My complaint against gay marriage isn't about the whole gay thing. It's against the notion that the definition of an institution as old as marriage can arbitrarily be changed whenever some group wants to.

Words mean things, and if the definition of marriage can be changed that easily, then the definition of words such as self defense, adult, citizen, free speech, privacy, and taxes can also be changed by any and every tin horn bureaucrat and buffoon out there.

This whole definition issue is why we have a written constitution for our republic. Otherwise we'd be like Orwell's Animal Farm where "all animals are equal, but some are more equal than others."

Nobody is stopping gay people from living together, and if gays want civil unions or some other sort of legal consideration then they can go through the same legislative processes as any other group that wishes to change the law.

Welcome to Free Republic. Look out for Liberty Valance... he shot at JFK from the Grassy Knoll in Dallas. He got a Cub Scout merit badge for it. He's even showed it to me several times.

I apologize for not answering sooner,

First of all, you either ignored purposely or by accident the first set of questions concerning our Founding Documents.

Second, by you bringing up homosexuality, I see what you - as a liberal - consdier to be important. You say you believe in God. Have you read the Bible? Do you have a basic understanding of Christianity? Do you have a basic understanding of the God of Abraham? Believing in God is basically easy because He gives you free choice to make two choices. The first choice is to follow His rules and have eternal life in Heaven. The second choice is to not follow his rules and have eternal life in Hell. The main point you need to see first of all is you are going to have eternal life. Now, it is up to you to how you want to spend it.

One of God's rules is that homosexuallity is an abomination. A man will not lay with a man and a woman will not lay with a woman. Now, don't try to pull the trick about the law calls for stoning to death those who are homosexual. This is where we get to Jesus.

Jesus was the last covenant of God. Jesus said to forgive the sin but he never abdicated God's law. We - as humans - are required to forgive the sin but we continue sinning if we promote and promulgate sin.

Do you have children? If not, do you think a parent should indulge the child their every wish and demand? That is what we are to God - his children. Parent love their children but when their children do wrong - hitting their sibling, breaking something, stealing, etc., - then the child must be punished and corrected. The same with us - we are God's children. And like a parent with multiple children, at times when one child is bad, all the children get punished. And the last thing to remember about God is that He - and his word and law - are the same as yesterday, today, and tomorrow. I will not gay-bash or beat up gays. But I will work hard to prevent their deviant lifestyle - yes, I consider it deviant because it veers from the norm - from advancing. It is my simple effort to combat sin.

Now, some of your arguments are just silly? Who stated women should not be in the work force? Why did you even raise that question? The same with the use of the term humans. Of course I mean all male and female. And yes, by raising loaded questions like that, you are trying to pick a fight?

Four more things and then I will await your answer. One - spell out your words. Be an intelligent human not some child unable to spell out simple words such as you and are. Use proper grammar and capitalization. Two - the main difference between liberals and conservatives is indicated in your last sentence. Conservatives do not make decisions based on 'feelings' but by thinking. DO NOT FEEL - THINK!!!! Three - answer my questions concerning the Founding Documents. And lastly - stop being argumentive. If someone makes a statement you disagree with, don't agrue because it hurts your feelings or it goes against your belief system. Look up what the person said to see if it is true or not. The truth is neighter fair nor unfair - it just is.