Posted on 04/08/2008 7:02:06 AM PDT by njweave
Hi, I'm Nick and I am from Illinois. I'm writing on this page because I have been brought up to be very liberal on every issue dominating the upcoming presidential election. I feel like I kind of been brain washed into thinking this way and have this image of every right-winged supporter to be a redneck, gun crazy racist. Now I know that this is sure as hell not the truth, but the real truth for me is that I really do find it hard to agree with a lot of Republican ideals especially when dealing with illegal immigration and abortion. What I'm asking is for somebody to give me some things that you feel are very positive contributions the GOP makes for our govt. I hate the idea that I'm prejidice against right-winged ideals but I would like to have some direct input from somebody who is conservative and why they choose to be.
Or the other option is just to tear me apart for being a northern liberal...either one i guess is gonna happen haha
Nick
What was the purpose of the Berlin Wall?
Immigration to the US is a privilege. Thousands of people spend fortunes and decades to become citizens. Many are forced to return home many times, leaving jobs and friends. They are forced to learn about American history and culture probably more in depth than what is taught in public schools k thru 12. One day they pass their tests and pledge and oath to this country.
Illegals hop a fence and hide underground for years taking jobs from poor or uneducated Americans and do so at a cheaper pay because they don't plan on staying forever. They don't aspire to be American, just richer than their counterparts in Mexico and at the expense of uneducated and poor Americans.
Illegals at one time didn't know how to milk the system of free lunches and welfare designed to help poor Americans, now its a draw for coming here.
If Canadians were the illegals, and I assume you mean white Canadians, the liberals would object because they are white and Conservatives would object for the same reasons stated above. I know how many thousands Canadians have to pay just to work here. Do you think they should forget all that American immigration law junk and follow the lead of the Mexicans? If so where do you or liberals draw the line? Haitians? English? Iranians? Why do liberals choose specifically Mexicans to be the ones to be able to flaunt immigration law?
Yes, they are free to marry someone of the opposite sex, just like heterosexuals, bisexuals, asexuals, or anyone else who slaps a label on themselves. The rules don't change based on your sexual orientation; they apply equally to all. There is nothing in a marriage contract that requires disclosure of one's sexual orientation.
The Berlin Wall had the exact opposite purpose- it kept citizen in, like a prison. A border fence would be similar to the door on your house- a way for you to choose who you invite into your home and under what circumstances.
Great explanation of the border fence!
There was a guy running for President that used that same analogy....what was his name?.....Fred something.....
The Berlin Wall was designed to keep an enslaved people in. Our border fence is to keep unwelcome visitors out -- just like to lock on your door.
But couldn’t that money used on the be put towards other domestic problems? Like toward our schools maybe?
The problem with our schools is too much money. I'm old enough to have been a student in public schools before the Federal government give on red cent to public education. Most public schools, especially big city schools were pretty damn good institutions then. They answered to local demands and especially the parents. Once Uncle Sam stuck his big fat nose in, public education began to deteriorate. It became a bloated bureaucracy where educating the students is a very low priority.
More money will only make it worse.
Well...have you ever seen the issues I listed addressed in any reporting, or has this reporting been some variant of poor immigrants/racist conservatives?
Putting up a giant wall on our southern boarder seems a little extreme to me. It could end up being a Berlin Wall look a like...
It is extreme...the question is whether it's needed.
The difference between a southern wall and the Berlin Wall, of course, is that the Berlin Wall, while described as keeping invaders out, was actually used to keep East Germans in. A southern wall, of course, would be used to keep people out.
But couldn’t that money used on the be put towards other domestic problems? Like toward our schools maybe?
Money is fungible, which means that money not used somewhere can, by definition, be used elsewhere.
If your question is should it be, what do you think, and why?
The willingness to engage on questions like this is what makes a conservative.
Here is a little challenge for you. Go research how much tax dollars are allocated per child, per day, for public school education. Compare that figure to all other first-world nations, such as Japan. (hint, the US spends far more per student on education than other countries that are outperforming her.) Remember the old definition of insanity- doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. We are always putting more and more money in the educational system, yet, it is getting worse and worse. What does that tell you about where the problem or solution may be? How is it that private schools that spend a fraction of what public schools do, constantly out perform public schools academically?
It's also possible that understanding what we're about takes more effort than he had in mind. I guess we'll see.
For me anyway, it's an opportunity to clarify my own thinking.
Democrats are the Party of big government and gleefully use it to control others.
Conservatives accept government as necessary but want it strictly limited.
You are correct, it is extreme. The reason it is necessary is because our representatives in Washington pay only lip service to border enforcement, and frankly we don't believe them any longer. The fence (if it is ever finished) will be a visible and concrete sign of our commitment to border enforcement.
As to why border enforcement is necessary (and leaving out the national security aspect)...illegal immigrants are a drain on our economy. They depress wages while absorbing taxpayer funded resources, for example health care and education.
I am afraid that like many that have a casual approach to the Jewish and Christian faiths you have allowed someone to substitute general French Enlightenment sentimentality for true Christian Virtue.
It works like this: Any hair-brained rationalistic scheme to take the wisdom of the ages or just general convention and morality and chuck it out the window begins with trumping up a flaw or problem.
That problem is magnified into a crisis and then the crisis is made more powerful by saying that it violates some readily generic Enlightenment sentiment. Equality, freedom and children are the most often used.
Generally that sentiment is proposed as a tenant of true religion, or at a minimum, presented as a worthy moral precept.
We must remember that progressives responding to the solutions that stalemated socialism came up with Fascism and that when originally applied by Mussolini and Woodrow Wilson it was an exciting idea. So exciting that full governmental answers were celebrated. Mussolini's group had a new term for this total answer and it was celebrated as a wonderful solution: Totalitarianism.
If you are going to let central government decide what marriage is rather than the entire course of civilization, then you are a foolish youngster.
You aren't a fool, are you?
Probably an obama supporter. He's young. From his post he couldn't vote in '04 but he's registered now and apologized for not answering a question earlier, he was in class. Young people flock to obamassiah, they're idiots.
i cant find answers from my liberal proffesors
Reading the original documents often seems so simple it is never applied.
This most applies to his question on education. If he carefully read the Constitution, he would know that the limited Federal government really has no role to play in education.
Some people on FR equate feminism with affirmative action, abortion, and hatred of the traditional family and traditional sexual morality. That is true of some feminists.
This is my brand of feminism.
http://www.feministsforlife.org/
Nice assumption, but heres a little surprise all knowing being...i was supporting huckabee awhile back. why do u think I’m here?
Noooo, he doesn't have the decoder ring.
He's probably working in cahoots with his 'liberal professors'. He'll get extra credits for it.
If he carefully read the Constitution, he would know that the limited Federal government really has no role to play in education.
I don't think he's read it.
I would advise him to carefully read the other writings of our founding fathers also. (i.e. The Federalist Papers, several writings by Benjamin Franklin, James Madison, George Washington, etc.
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