"cowboyway" is more like Foghorn Leghorn than you ever were.
Live long and prosper!
Posted on 03/28/2008 12:15:10 PM PDT by cowboyway
Over the last few months, celebrations for Abraham Lincoln's 200th birthday have drawn attention to the Kentucky native's life and his legacy as president. But the 200-year anniversary of another Kentucky president's birth, Confederate President Jefferson Davis, is receiving mixed reviews.
"I'll say it this way - winners write history," said Ron Bryant, a Lexington historian writing a book on Davis. "We need heroes, we need villains. Lincoln became a hero and Davis a villain."
Davis was born in what is now Todd County, Ky., in 1808, one year before Lincoln. Davis served as the only president of the 11 southern states that seceded from the Union between 1861 and 1865. The Confederate States of America surrendered in 1865, and Davis was locked in prison the same year.
Despite being denounced by many civil rights groups, signs of Davis' legacy can still be found throughout the state.
In Southwest Kentucky, a structure resembling the Washington Monument stands in memory of Davis. At 351 feet tall, the Jefferson Davis Monument is the fourth largest freestanding obelisk in the world, according to Kentucky State Parks.
Although Kentucky never seceded from the Union, a statue of Davis stands in the rotunda in the state's Capitol building.
"The Civil War is still very much alive in many places," said Cliff Howard, a Jefferson Davis impersonator. "Kentucky was on both sides of the fence. It still is."
Having heard of Kentucky's reputation for "being a little backward," integrated strategic communications senior James Davidson Jr. was not surprised about Davis' statue in the Capitol building.
Davidson, first-vice president of UK's chapter of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, said a statue of Davis leaves a bad impression.
"What is Frankfort saying to the rest of Kentucky with it being there?" Davidson said. "I respect everyone's heritage and Southern tradition, but given the history, I think it shouldn't be there."
The statue of Davis, installed in 1936, is one of five statues in the Capitol building. Lincoln is the largest in the center, and Davis stands in the corner behind his right shoulder. Former Kentucky Congressman Henry Clay, physician and drafter of the state constitution Ephraim McDowell and former Vice President Alben Barkley also stand in the rotunda.
The last time Davis' statue came into debate was 2003, when a coalition of African-American groups protested its presence in the Capitol building. A state advisory committee left the issue up to former Gov. Ernie Fletcher, who took no action during his term.
Gov. Steve Beshear does not plan to remove the statue because Davis is a historical figure who represents part of Kentucky's cultural history, a spokeswoman said.
Student Government President Nick Phelps said his feelings on the statue in the Capitol building resembled how he felt during a controversy two years ago about a 46-foot mural in Memorial Hall depicting the history of Lexington and its surrounding area. The mural, which some said stereotyped American Indians and blacks, was not removed.
"I was not in support of removing the mural, so I would not support removing Jefferson Davis," Phelps said. "I don't think we should remove history. I think it removes the question, 'Who is he?' "
Many students might ask the same question about Davis.
In Kentucky, the Civil War is part of the middle school curriculum. Unless students take an advanced placement history course in high school, that's usually the last time they focus on 19th century American history, said Nayasha Owens-Morton, a U.S. history and African-American history teacher at Bryan Station Traditional High School.
William Campbell has taught a class on Lincoln at UK for about 10 years as an English and honors professor. Students going into his class know little about the confederate president, he said.
"About Jefferson Davis, Kentuckians tend to know that he was from our state, that there's a memorial dedicated to him somewhere in the state, and that he was the president of the Confederacy," Campbell said. "Of Lincoln's writings, most have read only the Gettysburg Address. Of Davis's writings, most have read nothing."
God.
instead, "lincoln" intentionally PROVOKED WAR, which needlessly caused the DEATH of about ONE MILLION Americans, who died for his EGOTISM, LUST FOR POWER & little else. (NOTE: being murdered does NOT make a "cheap, scheming politician" into a NATIONAL HERO. it just makes him a DEAD crook.)
IF you think "lincoln, the TYRANT" was "wunnerful,wunnerful", i bet you think "wee willie klintoon" was "the BEST POTUS ever", as lincoln & klintoon were "TWO of a BAD kind".
sad, that you & so many other naive Americans have been DUPED by the northeastern/left coast REVISIONISTS & ELITISTS, who wouldn't spit on you, if you were on fire.
free dixie,sw
fwiw, lincoln was NOTHING more or less than wee willie klintoon's "evil twin", separated by 140 years. BOTH would SAY/DO/ADVOCATE ANYTHING to "get ahead". NEITHER had the morals of an alley-cat.
free dixie,sw
People have rights. They create governments and give them powers to protect these rights. Governments don't have rights.
Hey, watie. Welcome back. Would you care to weigh in on the “people have rights, goverments have powers” thing? Cowboyway doesn’t believe it.
Or stand watie is "truthful".
Wouldn’t do any good. Swattie is even confused about sewage...;’}
Judging from his posts, waste products is certainly something stand is well versed on.
fwiw, we southrons keep hoping that you DAMNyankee elitists will take Sean Penn's suggestion & secede from the USA (just think,then you could have "Her Royal Thighness" for your EMPRESS).====> if you do secede, i'll make a special trip to the new international border to "wish you well". (i will NOT be alone out by "the north fence", waving "bye,bye" to you!)
to all: the TRUTH is:
1. that if secession is NOT lawful & a BASIC RIGHT of FREE men/women, then NOBODY is really free (instead we are ALL "subjects" of the union/leviathan) &
2. that there is plenty of room on the North American continent for SIX free countries = Canada, Le Republique Quebecois, USA,Los Estados Unidos de Azatlan, CSA & Mexico.
free dixie,sw
(1) Idiosyncratic punctuation doesn't enhance persuasiveness.
(2) I understand that a good deal of your personal sense of self is wrapped up in validating the breakaway slavery regime of the 1860s, and that therefore you take all criticism of that regime as a personal affront.
(3) Any rational assessment of the historical situation would result in the conclusion that the acts of secession were in themselves acts of war - and the seceding states knew this, since they mobilized concurrently with - or even ahead of - these secessions. The secessions were the provocation.
So the question is: what did Abraham Lincoln do prior to the secessions that constituted a just cause of secession?
Or even: what exactly did Abraham Lincoln do prior to February 8, 1861 - to name a specific date?
(4) Apropos of your condemnation of northeasterners: My great-great grandfather served in the 66th NY out of New York City during the Civil War.
In other words: he won.
btw, i note that the "nameless/wit-LESS, arrogant, shunned one", who evidently "has NO life" is still posting TO me, even though i told him (weeks ago) that i would NEITHER read NOR respond to his BIGOTRY,STUPIDITY, LIES & hatefulness.
laughing AT the members of "the coven", as MOST FReepers (at least those who bother to read their bilge) DO.
free dixie,sw
in other words, the DYs here "know NOT & know NOT that they know NOT" & therefore they simply repeat what some LEFTIST professor told them in a "History 101" class, as if we had not heard that same BILGE from them on every WBTS thread.
in short, the DYs of FR are, in a word, PITIFUL.
free dixie,sw
Actually what you said was that you’d report me to the moderators if I posted to you again. So, by all means, go for it.
What were you saying about content, again?
"cowboyway" is more like Foghorn Leghorn than you ever were.
Live long and prosper!
True, perceptive, and well said. But why is swattie like that?
If you hadn’t noticed before, swattie is the personification of liberal projection. He tries (in his bizarre and pathetic sort of way) to project onto his enemies (perceived and mostly imagined) all of his own personal short-comings.
A constant source of amusement, he is currently holding (simultaneously and at the same time!) his hands over his eyes, ears, and nose (notice that he leaves his mouth free to spout gibberish!) in some goofy incarnation of supposed “shunning”. What this means is that he is free to insult, albeit obliquely, and anyone who responds is somehow breaking this magical “shun barrier”.
Mama always says, moron is as swattie does...
Confederate Flag represents both heritage and hate
Posted by stand watie to Non-Sequitur
On 03/13/2008 2:19:50 PM PDT · 160 of 242
btw, you might tell "your buddies", ("bubba, the LIAR" & "rockrr, the VULGAR-talking SWINE") that they are SHUNNED by the undersigned, PERMANENTLY. i neither READ (nor care to read) their LIES/VULGARITY or ANSWER them, ever again.
what i WILL do is start "hitting the abuse button" (as you know, i've never "hit" it before, but i'm sick of them) every time i see on the "post history',that they have posted TO me.
free dixie,sw
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What I find interesting is Watie’s constant playing of the “aggrieved minority.” Anyone who disagrees with any part of his lunacy is accused of hating any number of minority groups to which Watie claims membership. Apparently he can’t comprehend that someone can dislike what he says—any attack must be an attack on the entire Cherokee nation or whatever.
Nobody really believes that, not even the people who say it. And they are referring to sexual morality only.
What the heck else do you think we legislate? Why do we have laws against anything? Because we believe they're wrong, or IOW immoral.
By 'slaveowners' you mean both north and South. Right?
By 1861 there were no slaves in "the north." The most commonly accepted boundary between the sections ran precisely along the slave/free line, for exactly that reason.
Some southern/border states stayed in the Union, but that didn't exactly make them northern states. It is also relevant that all of these "northern" slave states freed their slaves by state action before the federal government freed them by constitutional amendment, with the exception of KY and DE.
What enormous expansion of federal power was there in 1880 as compared to 1860? Not much. Most of the expanded federal powers went away again after the war. Most of those that were retained for a while during Reconstruction was because some southern terrorists refused to accept blacks as fellow citizens. The terrorists eventually won that one, for most of a century.
There is no question that (white male) Americans have less freedom from government rule today than in 1860. But I contend little of this is a direct result of the WBTS. A great deal more of it is as a result of the renewed expansion of federal power that started in the late 19th century in the not well-named Progressive Movement, then really picked up steam under Wilson and Roosevelt. But while the War certainly set some precedents for federal power, there is no direct line of descent between the federal powers of 1865 and of today.
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