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Davis' bicentennial eclipsed by Lincoln
The Kentucky Kernel ^ | 3/28/08 | Jill Laster

Posted on 03/28/2008 12:15:10 PM PDT by cowboyway

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To: Bubba Ho-Tep
Where do rights come from?

God.

261 posted on 04/04/2008 12:29:13 PM PDT by cowboyway ("No damn man kills me and lives." -- Nathan Bedford Forrest)
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To: wideawake; All
had "lincoln, the TYRANT" (the northern industrial ELITE's puppet) CHOSEN to make PEACE, there would be THREE free nations in North America = Canada, USA & CSA.

instead, "lincoln" intentionally PROVOKED WAR, which needlessly caused the DEATH of about ONE MILLION Americans, who died for his EGOTISM, LUST FOR POWER & little else. (NOTE: being murdered does NOT make a "cheap, scheming politician" into a NATIONAL HERO. it just makes him a DEAD crook.)

IF you think "lincoln, the TYRANT" was "wunnerful,wunnerful", i bet you think "wee willie klintoon" was "the BEST POTUS ever", as lincoln & klintoon were "TWO of a BAD kind".

sad, that you & so many other naive Americans have been DUPED by the northeastern/left coast REVISIONISTS & ELITISTS, who wouldn't spit on you, if you were on fire.

free dixie,sw

262 posted on 04/04/2008 12:39:12 PM PDT by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. Thomas Jefferson, 1804)
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To: Petronski; All
lincoln was a "hero" in exactly the same way that sewage is "clean".

fwiw, lincoln was NOTHING more or less than wee willie klintoon's "evil twin", separated by 140 years. BOTH would SAY/DO/ADVOCATE ANYTHING to "get ahead". NEITHER had the morals of an alley-cat.

free dixie,sw

263 posted on 04/04/2008 12:45:57 PM PDT by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. Thomas Jefferson, 1804)
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To: cowboyway
Very good. Now, if rights come from God, how can a government have them? For a government to have rights, you'd have claim that governments--good, bad or indifferent--are ordained by God, who is the source of rights. In other words, you're claiming the "Divine Right of Kings."

People have rights. They create governments and give them powers to protect these rights. Governments don't have rights.

264 posted on 04/04/2008 12:49:43 PM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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To: stand watie

Hey, watie. Welcome back. Would you care to weigh in on the “people have rights, goverments have powers” thing? Cowboyway doesn’t believe it.


265 posted on 04/04/2008 12:51:31 PM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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To: stand watie
lincoln was a "hero" in exactly the same way that sewage is "clean".

Or stand watie is "truthful".

266 posted on 04/04/2008 12:52:56 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep

Wouldn’t do any good. Swattie is even confused about sewage...;’}


267 posted on 04/04/2008 12:54:18 PM PDT by rockrr (Global warming is to science what Islam is to religion)
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To: rockrr
Swattie is even confused about sewage...;’}

Judging from his posts, waste products is certainly something stand is well versed on.

268 posted on 04/04/2008 12:56:13 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Ditto; All
to "ditto":first, your post is all too typical of the DAMNyankee lunatics of "the DAMNyankee coven", in that it LACKS "thought", parrots "the LEFTISTS of northeastern academia" & makes you LOOK crude/vulgar & (frankly) DUMB.

fwiw, we southrons keep hoping that you DAMNyankee elitists will take Sean Penn's suggestion & secede from the USA (just think,then you could have "Her Royal Thighness" for your EMPRESS).====> if you do secede, i'll make a special trip to the new international border to "wish you well". (i will NOT be alone out by "the north fence", waving "bye,bye" to you!)

to all: the TRUTH is:

1. that if secession is NOT lawful & a BASIC RIGHT of FREE men/women, then NOBODY is really free (instead we are ALL "subjects" of the union/leviathan) &

2. that there is plenty of room on the North American continent for SIX free countries = Canada, Le Republique Quebecois, USA,Los Estados Unidos de Azatlan, CSA & Mexico.

free dixie,sw

269 posted on 04/04/2008 1:08:37 PM PDT by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. Thomas Jefferson, 1804)
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To: stand watie
A few observations:

(1) Idiosyncratic punctuation doesn't enhance persuasiveness.

(2) I understand that a good deal of your personal sense of self is wrapped up in validating the breakaway slavery regime of the 1860s, and that therefore you take all criticism of that regime as a personal affront.

(3) Any rational assessment of the historical situation would result in the conclusion that the acts of secession were in themselves acts of war - and the seceding states knew this, since they mobilized concurrently with - or even ahead of - these secessions. The secessions were the provocation.

So the question is: what did Abraham Lincoln do prior to the secessions that constituted a just cause of secession?

Or even: what exactly did Abraham Lincoln do prior to February 8, 1861 - to name a specific date?

(4) Apropos of your condemnation of northeasterners: My great-great grandfather served in the 66th NY out of New York City during the Civil War.

In other words: he won.

270 posted on 04/04/2008 1:11:15 PM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who call themselves Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: Non-Sequitur; All
fwiw, all the members of "the DAMNyankee coven" (except you of course, N-S) strike me as DUMB, clue-LESS, filled with HATE & mostly UNFIT morally to BE FReepers.

btw, i note that the "nameless/wit-LESS, arrogant, shunned one", who evidently "has NO life" is still posting TO me, even though i told him (weeks ago) that i would NEITHER read NOR respond to his BIGOTRY,STUPIDITY, LIES & hatefulness.

laughing AT the members of "the coven", as MOST FReepers (at least those who bother to read their bilge) DO.

free dixie,sw

271 posted on 04/04/2008 1:16:49 PM PDT by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. Thomas Jefferson, 1804)
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To: wideawake; All
pardon me, but those of you who endlessly carp, whine, complain, etc, about my (admittedly eccentric) typing style generally have NOTHING that is worth reading to say on CONTENT;complaining about STYLE keeps the whiner from having to THINK! (fwiw, MOST of what the DYs of FR post on these threads is simply the same old boring LIES, out of the most extreme, LEFTIST/Marxist, America-HATING, REVISIONIST members of "poison ivy league academia".)

in other words, the DYs here "know NOT & know NOT that they know NOT" & therefore they simply repeat what some LEFTIST professor told them in a "History 101" class, as if we had not heard that same BILGE from them on every WBTS thread.

in short, the DYs of FR are, in a word, PITIFUL.

free dixie,sw

272 posted on 04/04/2008 1:26:44 PM PDT by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. Thomas Jefferson, 1804)
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To: stand watie

Actually what you said was that you’d report me to the moderators if I posted to you again. So, by all means, go for it.


273 posted on 04/04/2008 1:28:51 PM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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To: stand watie
So no luck with an answer about Lincoln's specific provocative actions on or before February 8, 1861 then?

What were you saying about content, again?

274 posted on 04/04/2008 1:29:39 PM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who call themselves Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: lentulusgracchus; cowboyway
Ah say ... Ah say ... Lentulus, you're off the hook.

"cowboyway" is more like Foghorn Leghorn than you ever were.

Live long and prosper!

275 posted on 04/04/2008 1:34:10 PM PDT by x
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To: wideawake; stand watie
(2) I understand that a good deal of your personal sense of self is wrapped up in validating the breakaway slavery regime of the 1860s, and that therefore you take all criticism of that regime as a personal affront.

True, perceptive, and well said. But why is swattie like that?

276 posted on 04/04/2008 1:35:36 PM PDT by x
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To: wideawake

If you hadn’t noticed before, swattie is the personification of liberal projection. He tries (in his bizarre and pathetic sort of way) to project onto his enemies (perceived and mostly imagined) all of his own personal short-comings.

A constant source of amusement, he is currently holding (simultaneously and at the same time!) his hands over his eyes, ears, and nose (notice that he leaves his mouth free to spout gibberish!) in some goofy incarnation of supposed “shunning”. What this means is that he is free to insult, albeit obliquely, and anyone who responds is somehow breaking this magical “shun barrier”.

Mama always says, moron is as swattie does...


277 posted on 04/04/2008 1:40:34 PM PDT by rockrr (Global warming is to science what Islam is to religion)
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To: stand watie
Just to refresh your memory about your threats:
Confederate Flag represents both heritage and hate
Posted by stand watie to Non-Sequitur
On 03/13/2008 2:19:50 PM PDT · 160 of 242

btw, you might tell "your buddies", ("bubba, the LIAR" & "rockrr, the VULGAR-talking SWINE") that they are SHUNNED by the undersigned, PERMANENTLY. i neither READ (nor care to read) their LIES/VULGARITY or ANSWER them, ever again.

what i WILL do is start "hitting the abuse button" (as you know, i've never "hit" it before, but i'm sick of them) every time i see on the "post history',that they have posted TO me.

free dixie,sw

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278 posted on 04/04/2008 1:41:08 PM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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To: rockrr

What I find interesting is Watie’s constant playing of the “aggrieved minority.” Anyone who disagrees with any part of his lunacy is accused of hating any number of minority groups to which Watie claims membership. Apparently he can’t comprehend that someone can dislike what he says—any attack must be an attack on the entire Cherokee nation or whatever.


279 posted on 04/04/2008 1:50:13 PM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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To: cowboyway
As you have probably heard a million times, you cannot legislate morality.

Nobody really believes that, not even the people who say it. And they are referring to sexual morality only.

What the heck else do you think we legislate? Why do we have laws against anything? Because we believe they're wrong, or IOW immoral.

By 'slaveowners' you mean both north and South. Right?

By 1861 there were no slaves in "the north." The most commonly accepted boundary between the sections ran precisely along the slave/free line, for exactly that reason.

Some southern/border states stayed in the Union, but that didn't exactly make them northern states. It is also relevant that all of these "northern" slave states freed their slaves by state action before the federal government freed them by constitutional amendment, with the exception of KY and DE.

What enormous expansion of federal power was there in 1880 as compared to 1860? Not much. Most of the expanded federal powers went away again after the war. Most of those that were retained for a while during Reconstruction was because some southern terrorists refused to accept blacks as fellow citizens. The terrorists eventually won that one, for most of a century.

There is no question that (white male) Americans have less freedom from government rule today than in 1860. But I contend little of this is a direct result of the WBTS. A great deal more of it is as a result of the renewed expansion of federal power that started in the late 19th century in the not well-named Progressive Movement, then really picked up steam under Wilson and Roosevelt. But while the War certainly set some precedents for federal power, there is no direct line of descent between the federal powers of 1865 and of today.

280 posted on 04/04/2008 2:39:34 PM PDT by Sherman Logan (Those who deny freedom to others deserve it not for themselves. - A. Lincoln)
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