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Still has a mouth, and still must scream (Harlan Ellison)
Salon.com ^ | March 13, 2008 | Andrew O’Hehir

Posted on 03/14/2008 8:13:49 PM PDT by EveningStar

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I've always been amazed at both his greatness as a true American literary talent, and as a total jerk. Many people prefer to overlook the latter in favor of the former.
1 posted on 03/14/2008 8:13:52 PM PDT by EveningStar
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2 posted on 03/14/2008 8:16:47 PM PDT by EveningStar
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To: EveningStar

In other news Francisco Franco is still dead.


3 posted on 03/14/2008 8:17:51 PM PDT by Nateman (You only need to fool half of them once every two years.)
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4 posted on 03/14/2008 8:18:02 PM PDT by EveningStar
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He’s a moonbat lefty, but I have to give him credit: “Repent, Harlequin, Said the Ticktockman” is a libertarian classic and deserves a place in the library of every free person.


5 posted on 03/14/2008 8:21:28 PM PDT by denydenydeny (Expel the priest and you don't inaugurate the age of reason, you get the witch doctor--Paul Johnson)
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To: EveningStar

gee I thought this was a Howard Dean thread.


6 posted on 03/14/2008 8:21:33 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (A moderate Muslim is one who acts like a Christian,.)
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To: EveningStar

Ping for reading later.


7 posted on 03/14/2008 8:56:42 PM PDT by TChad
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Have you seen any of the images of him copping a feel of the writer Connie Willis at a Hugo awards? He looks like a wheezy bulldyke overdue for a wheelchair.

When I was young, I read a few of his stories, and liked the “Glass Teat” books. Now that I’m older, he’s highly over-rated.


8 posted on 03/14/2008 8:58:27 PM PDT by JoJo Gunn (Help control the RINO population. Have them spayed or neutered. ©)
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Video of Harlan groping Connie:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4653991510586546104


9 posted on 03/14/2008 9:12:35 PM PDT by LibFreeOrDie
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10 posted on 03/14/2008 9:18:36 PM PDT by JoJo Gunn (Help control the RINO population. Have them spayed or neutered. ©)
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I heard about this, of course. I thought he was brilliant in literature, but a total freak otherwise.

In my experience, his most intense fans are, not surprisingly, unrepentant 1960s radicals.


11 posted on 03/14/2008 9:19:49 PM PDT by EveningStar
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Yeah, he could be good at times, sometimes very good, but he could also be such a pretentious snob, (Look, Mom! I know how to pronounce Camus' name correctly! ). And in the L.A. Freep days he could be such a preachy one-note drone. So much of the two Glass Teat compilations, in retrospect, were/are ruined by it, at least for an armchair media student such as myself.

You're right about his fans. It's been a long time ago, but I once happened across his web site, and some of the people there are wince-evoking fanbois. You could almost smell their pheromones.

12 posted on 03/14/2008 9:53:25 PM PDT by JoJo Gunn (Help control the RINO population. Have them spayed or neutered. ©)
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I met him when he gave a talk at a local college. Very voluble and filled with stories about all those ‘damn Hollywood phonies’ who have ripped him off (James Cameron, Gene Roddenberry).


13 posted on 03/14/2008 10:05:24 PM PDT by Borges
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In other news Francisco Franco is still dead.

LOL Priceless!

14 posted on 03/14/2008 10:08:37 PM PDT by higgmeister (In the Shadow of The Big Chicken!)
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He'll beat Roddenberry's corpse until the day he himself croaks, simply because he must obsess.

And no matter what the aging Queen says, his Trek script wasn't that great, (yet neither was the final version, for that matter. I've always thought "Forever" was highly over-rated).

I freely admit that back in the days of the Tomorrow show, (from it's debut in '73 up until NBC fubar'ed it with Rona Barrett), Ellison was always one of the best recurring guests.

15 posted on 03/14/2008 10:17:23 PM PDT by JoJo Gunn (Help control the RINO population. Have them spayed or neutered. ©)
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To: EveningStar

He’s made a point of NOT reading anything that fans have written and submitted directly to him, simply to be sure that he’s not sued for “stealing” their stories. He’ll return manuscripts unopened.

But you’re right, he can be a jerk. But he’s also a brilliant short story author, and quite possibly one of the greatest editors of short stories of the last few decades. If not for his “Dangerous Visions” anthologies, I would have never heard of (those who have become) some of my favorite authors.

He’s also quite unabashedly hard left. But he can also be brutal to those he normally supports as well. And I don’t think that anyone’s ever written better on the Kitty Genovese murder that Harlan Ellison.

Mark


16 posted on 03/14/2008 11:35:06 PM PDT by MarkL
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I freely admit that back in the days of the Tomorrow show, (from it's debut in '73 up until NBC fubar'ed it with Rona Barrett), Ellison was always one of the best recurring guests.

The few times I've seen him in discussions, he could really be quite a brilliant conversationalist. But he can also be such an ass.

I hadn't seen a recent photo of him in nearly 20 years, when I last saw him in person (1987, at a NYC comic/sci-fi convention) when he kept ranting and raving about "She Hulk." lol. He was great at that convention. But when I saw the photo posted earlier in this thread... Damn! The last 20 years haven't been very good to him.

As I said in an earlier post, I think that he's a good writer, but his real strength is as an editor.

Mark

17 posted on 03/14/2008 11:40:57 PM PDT by MarkL
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banglist related.


18 posted on 03/14/2008 11:46:10 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/______________________Profile updated Saturday, March 1, 2008)
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“Dangerous Visions”

Had some creepy stuff — I’ll give him that.

Probably the creepiest was the short story advocating father/daughter incest — yuck!


19 posted on 03/15/2008 6:23:07 AM PDT by BenLurkin
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Aging Queen? You do know he’s straight right? Anyway he also memorably sued James Cameron for ripping off an Outer Limits episode he wrote for the The Terminator. All home video copies of it end with the credit ‘Inspired by the work of Harlan Ellison’.


20 posted on 03/15/2008 7:55:28 AM PDT by Borges
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