Posted on 02/22/2008 7:23:44 PM PST by DeLaine
Son got his first ticket. Policeman said he didn't stop at a stop sign. It was dark, not even street lights in this area, but he saw this difficult-to-tell action in the dark, when Nathan says he had come to a stop. He didn't argue though.
But then he wanted to search the car. We've always told son not to agree to that, there is no reason. (actually, his former-cop dad told him don't agree to it) Dad is not in the picture, so I have to ask you all.
This was his first traffic stop and he was nervous. I was out of town, he'd never been pulled over before. He is 17. A conservative homeschooler. (now the LEO didn't know that, I understand that) But is mere nervousness of a 17 yo young man really probable cause? It wasn't late at night, it was after dinner, about 8:30 pm. A friend's mom had cooked him dinner and he was heading home. Son said there was 4 or 5 police cars, and a dog. That's the entire police force of this town, I think! I understand nervousness with other indicators, but what about only nervousness?? thanks
Remind me how many times you’ve been suspended for FR now?
Neither was Baron Munchausen.
Perhaps there is some cutesy flashing graphic you would like to post now.
How ironic.
You’re scaring me. Nate would no more lunge for any police, under any circumstance, than he’d fly. You don’t know him. He’s really rather shy and I just can’t imagine him crossing an authority figure like that.
And I have to tell you, i have no such problem crossing an “authority figure” and if something happened to my boy while in their custody...just don’t go there.
His girlfriend lives in this town and he wants to be able to go back!
Yet neither of us can accept paying higher insurance premiums for a trumped up traffic stop and practice using their drug dog.
What to do?!
Talk to an actual lawyer. Don’t take legal advice from internet drama queens.
You can make a stink about it but having lived in small town Georgia, I wouldn't.
Trust me on this one as one who knows this sort of thing very well.
There are plenty of cops, agents, deputies and worst of all...prosecutors...who will say what they need to say.
Not all but enough.
When I was a long haired marijuana smoker in the early 70s, simply driving and being seen by Barney was probable cause.
fake drug dog alert.
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What makes you think it was a fake alert? Couldn’t it have been a mistaken alert by a dog that needs more training? You’re making my point. The police acted as they probably have thousands of times and this one time that the dog doesn’t perform well makes the whole incident a fake by officers determined to deny a person his rights. Give me a break.
Simply because crooked cops using fake drug alerts are now a standard tool for evading the very laws police swear to uphold.
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crooked cops, fake drug alerts, evading laws and how about brutality. Let’s do away with all police departments before we all lose our rights. You’re right no authority is good. Never cooperate with the police and never believe that police can act responsibly. They’re all crooks, after all.
The dog is named Jessie and reportedly has a great nose.
You know, your response is so not applicable to what happened that I wonder what thread you think you are on. Maybe you are mixed up about what thread you are on.
Could you please consider leaving this thread for me to gather helpful information, or must you come here to push yourself into this with no helpful information to share at all?
Because they didn't find any drugs.
Couldn’t it have been a mistaken alert by a dog that needs more training?
That is entirely possible. I'm sure the agency is *racing* to correct the training deficiency as we speak.
Faking a drug dog alert is very well know tactic for establishing PC. In fact it is so well known, the bogus drug dog alert scenario is extensively discussed in the book I linked to above.
The police acted as they probably have thousands of times and this one time that the dog doesn’t perform well makes the whole incident a fake by officers determined to deny a person his rights. Give me a break.
So you think it was just this one time out of thousands. I'm pretty skeptical.
Not yet, but in rural Georgia the kid runs that risk if decides to make a stink about the bogus search. (and it was bogus).
Authority is just fine as long as it is mated with responsibility and bound by law.
Who is taking responsibility for this warantless search based on a bogus drug dog alert?
About 17 years ago I was this kid's age and had very similiar experience. I raised in the South by an ex-drill sargeant. I was raised to be respectful of authority figures, yes sir, no sir.
It been my subsequent 17 years of experience with LEOs that has informed my currently attitude.
And yes I'll take CCW over a LEO any day.
I've met Boston on a number occasions. Good man. He is playing chess while everybody else is playing checkers.
We had him out to present this material in lecture format. He gives a pretty polished legal presentation for a guy who is otherwise such a firebrand.
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