Posted on 02/01/2008 7:45:31 PM PST by Bruce 22-250
Warning graphic pictures of animals killed by wolves. Here is the truth with what living with wolves is really like. If you have a weak stomach don't view some very brutal pictures.
Our 3 Rat Terriers sleep next to my wife and me. Chewie waits for me to get settled under the covers, then hops up on the outside edge of the mattress and snuggles next to my chest. If it's cold, he will tap me on the shoulder so he can be under the blanks. Ceri sleeps near the head of the bed between our pillows. Jasper likes the outside corner near the foot of the bed. It's always a 3 dog night at my place :-)
That’s how it was with Rascal until he got big. Now he’s in my son’s quarters and behaves exactly as you describe.
I think occasionally he thinks of himself as a human! LOL
Then keep them on your property.
Then you are a brainwashed zoology major in need of an education.
Here's a shock for you genius: Wolves were introduced by "Native Americans" crossing the ice bridge. They followed the bison when they were driven across.
Next time read the thread before you post. I realized what this ranger said was wrong and apologized for it over and over. I’ve had enough of the rude comments and insults here (so I made a mistake, sue me), and am thoroughly sick of this thread and some of the asshats that posted here.
See #166 and quit throwing the insults out. Why is it so hard to be civil and just tell me I’m incorrect instead of being a freaking asshole about it? WHy do people jump on people here when they’re wrong instead of just point it out in a civilized manner?!?!
Two reasons:
2. You assumed other freepers, such as freeplancer, didn't know what they were talking about when they disagreed with you.
On the other hand, I've made a mistake at the front of a popular thread before and I know how it feels, so your point that I should have read it before commenting is well taken. Thank you for bringing that to my attention. In that respect, I apologize. For the rest of it, I do not apologize and suggest you reconsider your "Diplomat" skills.
[[Lets just say we have a different opinion on wolves and wild animals but the same on pit bulls!]]
I’m good with that! Cheers!!
Hello! I’m the dude who did the short film that I sent to Bruce...Fire away! Ha! LOL My screen name is MiWolvessmokeapackaday, but, that doesn’t mean we need to get rid of them all, just the problem and over populated ones...I just like raising the hackles on the wolf lovers.
What I wanted to show mostly was the mis-information that is put out by the Defenders of Wildlife, Peta, and any other “ECO-Terroist” organization. On this one farm thats in the clip for the past 6 years the wolves have been an on going problem. The State has been pretty much useless and for the longest wouldn’t even acknowledge that there even was a wolf problem. We bagged some BIG scat and sent it down to Lansing where it came back 2 months later as inconclusive. I took a couple pics of this big ole hairy wolf turd and kept it for the farmer.
Meanwhile the farmer would bring a 2/3 eaten newborn calf carcass nailed to a 4x4 peice of plywood and follow this wolf lady around as she gave presentations about the re-introduced wolf in Michigan and Wisconsin. She would wow the crowd with her knowledge and how the wolf was a gentle creature and NEVER killed for sport or never would attack a person or their pets. ‘Bout that time Ole John would stand up from the back row, raise up the 4x4 board w/ the calf nailed to it and ask her how, then, did this newborn calf meet its demise if the wolf was a gentle creature!?
Some of the people would gasp and some turned away but most were curious and would come up to him later and ask about the poor calf...
Since then it has been the USDA who has been handling the wolf problems and the State still doesn’t want to get involved. Out of a herd of 300+ animals he has lost close to 75 in 5 years. And 2 years ago he lost a dozen calves in 2 months. The past 2 years they were also able to kill 16 of those problem wolves. I caught the first one in a coyute leghold set and the Fed trapper tranq’d it so he could set it free and then watch the entire pack and document what and where they went. For 2 weeks they meandered upwards of 30+ miles a day and during those 2 weeks they came back to the farm and got another calf. He was then justified and killed all 5 from that pack and left the one w/ the radio collar to be the last...
They are back and the Fed trapper is trying to take out the last 2 from that pack before the Wolf huggers and certain tribes try to manipulate the federal judge once again to stop the controled kills...BUT, the Attorney general of Wisconsin and other ZGreat lake States are demanding that THEY be allowed to control these problem packs and not Wash, DC...Hopefully they will get it aproved.
Precisely my point. That assumption is born out of a presumption: you gave authority to the ranger where it was unwarranted on two counts. First, you assumed the ranger a disinterested arbiter, a person without an institutional interest in inflicting wolves upon the surrounding population. Such is hardly the case. Second, you assumed that people posting on FR are just like yourself, traders in second hand information at best.
When I found out he knew what he was talking about, I apologized to him.
No, you conceded when you realized that you couldn't win, which is something quite different.
But even throughout the whole thread I got nothing but insults from people right after my first comment which wasn't meant to be "condescending"; "you don't know what you're talking about"; "shut up and read your weekly reader"; of course I'm going to sound "condescending" in my replies.
Oh really? Well, let's take a look at the language in your first post.
Whoever made that video is an ignoramus. As a zoology major, I will say that wolves do NOT kill for sport, they kill for food, just like every other predator. Removing them completely would entirely screw up the food chain.
With the use of the word, "ignoramus" your first statement is crappy in its tone, thus earning every bit of the vitriol you later received for your false assertions. Further, it begins with your own authority as a zoologist, and not the at least second hand (probably more) information from the bureaucrat who at least vicariously has a financial interest in extending wolf territory into the private lands outside the park, which is what happened contrary to the contractual obligations upon the part of the agency.
It is your lack of healthy skepticism applied to the bureaucrat compared to a desperate rancher that would earn you suspicion here on FR. Although unschooled in successfully designing a message that would tug your heartstrings, ranchers care more about the health of the land and perhaps know more about it than you probably realize. For sure as hell, neither you nor those who might agree with you have compensated for his losses that are a direct result of such whimsical preferences.
Welcome to FR.
You too and good luck! I’m actually on your side...liberal do gooders aren’t doing it for the wolves, but for their own agendas...like they hate guns or something stupid.
Thanks good to be here!
Yes, the whole thread was focused on wolves but they were just a tool of the left.
George nailed in post 151. The wolves are just being used as a tool to drive ranchers off the land. This is very important issue for every American. We can not allow the left to remove people from the land. The hard working ranchers are a very good reason we have the wildlife numbers we do today. In the west water is very important and water tanks, wells and windmill pumps not only water for the livestock but the wildlife too. The salt blocks also benifit the wildlife. The people who live on the land 365 days a year are the stewards of the range. I for one want to thank them for all the great work they have done.
We practice the S.S.S. method here. It’s very effective.
What can we do to help with the good fight ?
My starting point :
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1963624/posts?page=151#151
By PERRY BACKUS
Montana Standard
ENNIS Jim Nelson nearly had wolves at his doorstep Tuesday morning.
When feeding cattle in a nearby pasture in the Bear Creek area of the Madison Valley, Nelson was surprised to see six gray wolves feeding on a 650-pound yearling steer.
He was so close that he could have thrown a baseball at them, said his stepdaughter, Bennie Clark.
Clark said three houses are located within about 200 yards of the kill site.
The kill was right in the center of all three, she said.
That marked the fourth confirmed wolf kill in the Madison Valley in less than a week .
Were not moneyed people who can just absorb this kind of loss, said Clark.
This has a huge impact on us ... weve told Ed (Bangs) that we have to live here and want to make this work. Now were begging for help.
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