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1 posted on 01/30/2008 9:32:04 PM PST by bamahead
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To: ShadowAce

tech ping.


2 posted on 01/30/2008 9:32:26 PM PST by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; The majority are satisfied with a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: bamahead

Trashing their ideological brethren? Tut tut.


3 posted on 01/30/2008 9:37:27 PM PST by JoJo Gunn (Help control the Leftist population. Have them spayed or neutered. ©)
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To: bamahead

Maybe its time for the record bidness to decline.

Why should a few weeks work on a record create some illusion that it is valuable in the tens of millions of dollars?

Perform. Sell tickets. Earn money the old fashioned way.

Records are advertising, not a product. That’s the whole problem right there.


4 posted on 01/30/2008 9:38:50 PM PST by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: bamahead
Is Bozo still avoiding his taxes?
5 posted on 01/30/2008 9:39:07 PM PST by stainlessbanner
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To: bamahead

Good points by McGuiness.

or maybe, the music industry is in decline because the music simply...sucks?

I agree witht illegal DLs. It’s unfair for those guys who produce these stuff to not let even the smallest of $$$ go their way because it’s the right thing to do.

Unfortunately for bittorrent and encryption, PLUS Safepeer/peerguardian...this is a losing battle for the companies.


6 posted on 01/30/2008 9:43:41 PM PST by max americana
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To: bamahead
Addenda:

"Their snouts have been at our trough feeding free for too long."

Such stunning hypocrisy. Who first comes to mind if asked who grovels at the United Nations trough more than any other, (if there are any others)?

7 posted on 01/30/2008 9:44:13 PM PST by JoJo Gunn (Help control the Leftist population. Have them spayed or neutered. ©)
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To: bamahead

Political Charity Concerts and overproduction/overmarketing are killing music.

When bands are getting promoted based on haircuts (different styles/colors for each member and used as THE ad campaign) there is no “music” in the music industry, just “product”.

Since the industry still makes money off of decades old recordings (unlike in older eras when works would lapse into the public domain) they have a vested interest in maintaing the “status quo” that “there is nothing out there” if they don’t own every inch of tape of it.


10 posted on 01/31/2008 12:25:36 AM PST by weegee (Those who surrender personal liberty to lower global temperatures will receive neither.)
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To: bamahead; rdb3; Calvinist_Dark_Lord; GodGunsandGuts; CyberCowboy777; Salo; Bobsat; JosephW; ...

13 posted on 01/31/2008 5:29:07 AM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: bamahead

I would happily pay for good music. Sadly, U2 stopped making it twenty years ago.


14 posted on 01/31/2008 5:31:26 AM PST by Petronski (People get the kind of government they deserve.)
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To: bamahead

If an album doesn’t have 10 good songs on it, it’s not worth releasing these days. Put out singles. Technology is not the problem here, it’s crappy albums.


18 posted on 01/31/2008 9:03:19 AM PST by mainerforglobalwarming
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To: bamahead

The Dead was better (and more profitable) than U2.


19 posted on 01/31/2008 9:30:09 AM PST by Tribune7 (How is inflicting pain and death on an innocent, helpless human being for profit, moral?)
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To: bamahead

Capitalist Pigs !........:o)

Bono’s bank account gets boned by downloaders film at 11.


20 posted on 01/31/2008 9:34:33 AM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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To: bamahead

It couldn’t be that recording companies are peddling crap ... no, that’s too convenient an excuse.


23 posted on 01/31/2008 9:58:48 AM PST by r9etb
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"And embedded deep down in the brilliance of those entrepreneurial, hippy values seems to be a disregard for the true value of music."

Here is the problem with this statement. How come The Wall, which came out 28 years ago still costs 30 bucks? Meanwhile 90% of DVDs that come out get discounted heavily after a fairly short period of time. CDs almost never go down in price. If the record companies would drop their prices some it would increase sales, but who wants to spend 20 bucks for just audio, when you can get a movie for 10? It makes no sense.
27 posted on 01/31/2008 10:17:08 AM PST by Mr. Blonde (You ever thought about being weird for a living?)
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McGuinness blamed these forces for "destroying the recorded music industry,"
Are we suppossed to feel badly about this??
28 posted on 01/31/2008 10:19:56 AM PST by stylecouncilor (I'm a loner Dottie; a rebel.)
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To: bamahead

Destroying music is one thing. We do that every day as we pick up the viola and bow. Destroying the music industry is another thing.


29 posted on 01/31/2008 10:22:28 AM PST by RightWhale (oil--the world currency)
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Paul McGuinness, long-time manager of rock band U2, on Monday launched a verbal attack against illegal music downloaders, as well as internet service providers, device makers, Silicon Valley and even hippies in a speech at a conference in France.

"Why it's gotten to the point where Bono has to wipe his ass with coarse $20 bills instead of the $100s his sensitive, African-debt-relief-promoting buttocks had become accustomed to."

Later, Mr. McGuinness climbed into his Bentley and headed to the airport, where his private jet whisked him off to his Caribbean island retreat to relax and recover from his exhausting speech.

30 posted on 01/31/2008 10:24:28 AM PST by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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To: bamahead

I saw U2 live on the Elevation tour. U2 ruined music. They’re talentless hacks.


36 posted on 01/31/2008 3:42:47 PM PST by Salo
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To: bamahead
ISPs have for years profited from that illegal downloading, which occurs on their networks, and their arguments that it isn't their job to police the internet are no longer valid, he said.

The relevant legal term is "common carrier." If I plot a crime over the telephone, the phone company is not liable for providing the line. I would hate to live in a country where the phone company is allowed to -- let alone required to -- police the content of every packet I sent to or receive from their networks.

McGuinness said much of Silicon Valley arose out of "hippy values" that did not include a respect for copyright and established business models.

I'll give him partial credit. Desktop computers were definitely driven by hippie values -- the goal was to wrest control over computers out of the hands of powerful business, government and academic institutions and give it to everyone. Power to the people.

There was certainly no love for established business models. F--- established business models. If the computing pioneers of the 1970s respected existing business models, we'd still be using terminals and dialing into IBM mainframes.

No respect for copyrights? Gates, Allen, Ballmer, Jpbs, Wozniak, Ellison, and on and on have all become billionaires on the strength of their intellectual property.

"There are plenty of private equity fund managers who are Deadheads," he said, a reference to hippy icons The Grateful Dead. "And embedded deep down in the brilliance of those entrepreneurial, hippy values seems to be a disregard for the true value of music."

The Grateful Dead allowed fans to tape their shows. If you bought a ticket in the right section and you owned a tape deck you could carry, you didn't even need a mike. They'd let you plug straight into the board. The result? The Dead were the top-grossing touring band in the country for about 30 years, right up until Jerry died. Prince took the title then, and he hasn't let it go.

Information is now fungible, and music is now just another form of information. Adapt or perish It's that f'n simple.

37 posted on 01/31/2008 4:03:17 PM PST by ReignOfError (`)
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