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Vista computer doesn't see other computers in workgroup

Posted on 01/21/2008 7:03:40 AM PST by rudy45

I have a desktop computer with a printer attached. I also have a second computer, a laptop, that can use the desktop printer, via my wireless connection. Both use XP. They have the same workgroup name.

I just added a second laptop, a Sony Vaio, which runs Vista. I checked the system parameters, and this Vaio has the same workgroup name. However, when I try to add a printer, it doesn't see the remote desktop-attached printer.

I just downloaded, for the desktop computer, the LLTD Responder, from Microsoft.

How can I get the Vista computer to see the desktop printer? Thanks.


TOPICS: Computers/Internet
KEYWORDS: computer; network; windows
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1 posted on 01/21/2008 7:03:40 AM PST by rudy45
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To: rudy45

Unblock your firewall. Find the IP for your router and add it to the firewall accepted list.


2 posted on 01/21/2008 7:05:41 AM PST by GoforBroke
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To: rudy45

BTW just did this a month ago.


3 posted on 01/21/2008 7:06:23 AM PST by GoforBroke
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To: GoforBroke

‘puters have short memories!

/s


4 posted on 01/21/2008 7:07:29 AM PST by ken21 ( people die + you never hear from them again.)
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To: GoforBroke

I already can use the new PC, over wireless, to get to the Internet. However, I cannot use wireless to see the desktop PC and the printer. Do I still have a problem with the router?


5 posted on 01/21/2008 7:07:53 AM PST by rudy45
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To: rudy45

Can you access all your shared folders?


6 posted on 01/21/2008 7:44:02 AM PST by GoforBroke
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To: rudy45

For example I am running Avast firewall/virus program on my old XP system and I wasn’t having any trouble accessing the Vista system because the Networking wizard set all accesses for that system. However, even though the Vista system could “see” the XP computer it could not access anything. The first thing I did was shut down Avast on the XP puter and everything was just fine. Then I went to Avast help documents and found how to add a device/IP to the accepted list.


7 posted on 01/21/2008 7:49:50 AM PST by GoforBroke
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To: GoforBroke

And because the router was the device that was technically trying to access the Xp system, I used the router address.


8 posted on 01/21/2008 7:51:56 AM PST by GoforBroke
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To: GoforBroke

I changed the name of the workgroup on the desktop server PC, the previously-working Dell laptop and the new Vaio.

I still can print from my laptop. However, when I look at network devices on the new Vaio, all I see is that Vaio itself. I see neither the desktop or the other laptop. On the Vaio, I turned off Norton firewall and enabled Windows firewall.


9 posted on 01/21/2008 8:52:33 AM PST by rudy45
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To: GoforBroke

OK, FWIW:

I determined the IP addresses using Ipconfig. Interesting findings:

- the Vaio computer (the one with Vista) is able to ping the desktop computer (the one that has the printer the Vaio wants to use), i.e. I get replies
- however, the opposite doesn’t happen, i.e. the desktop computer, when it tries to ping the Vaio, gets “request timed out”

How significant is that?


10 posted on 01/21/2008 9:23:38 AM PST by rudy45
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Do you have Network Discovery turned on?

http://www.windowshelp.microsoft.com/Windows/en-US/help/5723d061-b884-40da-b5e7-94a55f6fcead1033.mspx


11 posted on 01/21/2008 9:27:54 AM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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Yes, the Vista machine, the Vaio, does have network discovery turned on.

What a pain this whole thing is lol.

Thanks for your help. Am I overlooking anything else? See the above post regarding the results of my ping tests.


12 posted on 01/21/2008 9:31:17 AM PST by rudy45
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To: GoforBroke

Can you confirm some things I have read? It seems that there is a problem in having a Vista machine join an existing workgroup (?) Various sources are suggesting that I really should create a whole new workgroup name instead, and have it apply to all the computers, even though only one of them, the Vista machine, is new to the workgroup? What’s that all about?


13 posted on 01/21/2008 10:15:05 AM PST by rudy45
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To: Spktyr

The Vista machine is the remote machine. It has NO printer attached. Rather, it wants to print to a Canon MP500 printer that is physically attached to an XP desktop.

Even though there is no physical connection between the Canon printer and the Vista machine, is it possible I still might need a Canon printer driver for the Vista machine? I wouldn’t think so, but I want to be sure.


14 posted on 01/21/2008 10:17:51 AM PST by rudy45
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To: Spktyr

I ***CAN *** print from the Vista machine to the Canon printer, if the latter is physically USB-attached (again, for what it’s worth). But I can’t print from the Vista machine over the network to the Canon.


15 posted on 01/21/2008 10:29:45 AM PST by rudy45
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To: ShadowAce

Help needed ping.


16 posted on 01/21/2008 10:34:47 AM PST by JoJo Gunn (Help control the Leftist population. Have them spayed or neutered. ©)
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To: rudy45

OK... Vista isn’t going to see the printer in Network Map. If you’ve ever set up an IP printer queue in XP, it’s the same procedure to set it up in Vista.


17 posted on 01/21/2008 11:29:04 AM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Spktyr; GoforBroke

HA!!!! IT WORKED!!!!!

Here’s what I did (and was everything necessary?):

- installed LTTD driver on the XP machine
- TURNED OFF NORTON INTERNET SECURITY ON THE VISTA MACHINE

THis last point seems to be the true issue. In fact, I had rebooted, and saw the other machines on the Vista window. Then, Vista asked me if I wanted to start Norton, and I said yes. As soon as I did, those other machines disappeared.

Question: do I truly have to disable Norton completely, or can I tweak and configure it so that it still runs, but still lets me see the other machines?

Thanks so much.


18 posted on 01/21/2008 3:16:26 PM PST by rudy45
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To: rudy45

Norton is sewage. Yank it out.


19 posted on 01/21/2008 3:18:20 PM PST by Petronski ("Make all the promises you have to." --Slick Willard, 9 Jan 08)
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To: Petronski

lol

What should I replace it with? McAfee? Freeware? thanks.


20 posted on 01/21/2008 3:26:33 PM PST by rudy45
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