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Police examining items for signs tiger was taunted
CNN ^ | 1/3/2008 | CNN

Posted on 01/03/2008 6:12:02 AM PST by Red in Blue PA

SAN FRANCISCO, California (CNN) -- Police are investigating whether several items found in the enclosure of a tiger who fatally mauled a 17-year-old man show that the animal was attacked or taunted, San Francisco Zoo spokesman Sam Singer said Wednesday.

Police are examining a large rock, a tree branch and other items, Singer said.

"They [police] are trying to make a determination that those items or any other things that happened on Christmas Day were part of some attack on the tiger or something that angered Tatiana, causing her to come out of her cage," the spokesman said.

San Francisco Police Chief Heather Fong has said that a shoe print found on the railing at the tiger enclosure is being examined to determine if one of the victims climbed over the rail or threw their leg over the side.

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To: alloysteel

“I guess those kids just didn’t see it coming.”

Well, I guess those kids went to the zoo presuming the large predators couln’t get out of their cages. I don’t think the zoo gets many visitors who don’t presume that.


161 posted on 01/03/2008 8:02:02 AM PST by swain_forkbeard (Rationality may not be sufficient, but it is necessary.)
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To: CDHart

Millions of people could have seen that tiger over its natural lifespan. For the safety of the zoo’s enclosure to depend on none of those people taunting the poor creature is unreasonable and irresponsible.


162 posted on 01/03/2008 8:03:20 AM PST by Eepsy (The object of opening the mind, as of opening the mouth, is to shut it again on something solid.)
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To: Larry Lucido

You animal rights people are just sick!


163 posted on 01/03/2008 8:03:45 AM PST by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: MizSterious
You said that the kids were disturbed by the behavior of the Dhaliwals. That is not what the witness said. This wouldn't matter, except you've been exaggerating the statements in the article in an effort to smear the "thugs".
164 posted on 01/03/2008 8:04:47 AM PST by SpringheelJack
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To: MizSterious

That statement is sort of like saying I saw a guy speeding yesterday on the interstate, was it you.


165 posted on 01/03/2008 8:05:10 AM PST by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: aroundabout; nmh

You are both right.

The Tiger exhibit at the zoo was constructed in the 40’s.

No one has been attacked for 60 years.
Other zoo’s have gone to a 18 foot ‘standard’.

This zoo will now go to that standard or higher, due to this incident.

As they should. No doubt about it.

But.....that does not lessen the responsibility of the patrons of the zoo.

If these young men did what is suggested, they violated the rules.


166 posted on 01/03/2008 8:05:22 AM PST by UCANSEE2 (Just saying what 'they' won't.)
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To: MizSterious
"Oh please. Did we require interviews from every person at the WTC on 9/11 to prove it happened?"

Let's see, some of the things I remember reported that day:

"A man road the wreckage of the Twin Towers down from the (insert floor number here) floor and survived."

"A Missile struck the Pentagon."

"A Bomb Blew out all the ground floor windows of the towers prior to the collapse"

"Survivors of the World Trade Center collapse made phone calls from under the rubble."

"A Military Plane Shot Down Flight 93"

"Three Planes struck the towers"

All throughly debunked and supposed eye witness accounts.

Just because someone sez they saw it, don't make it so.

167 posted on 01/03/2008 8:07:10 AM PST by Mad Dawgg ("`Eddies,' said Ford, `in the space-time continuum.' `Ah,' nodded Arthur, `is he? Is he?'")
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To: ontap
I think that is certainly something they’re thinking about but if this report is true it would have a effect on any judgment those two would seek. Justifiably so.

After the fact and unidentified source can not be called as a witness, so their statement means nothing.

168 posted on 01/03/2008 8:08:26 AM PST by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: Red in Blue PA
December 25, 2007. 5 P.M. San Francisco Zoo.

The “As God is my witness, I thought turkeys could fly" defense only works in situation comedies. In the real world safeguards are supposed to be in place so that the animals cannot get out under any circumstances. The fact that the wall does not meet Association of Zoos and Aquariums standards means the San Francisco Zoological Society is so, well, you know.

No sympathy for the punks on my part, but what if the tiger had decided one day to take a four year old, just because she could? From the facts we know now she could have any time she wanted, she just never was motivated.

169 posted on 01/03/2008 8:10:05 AM PST by Cheburashka (Liberals never think what they have done is wrong, they think they haven't done it enough yet.)
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To: MizSterious
More proof that you didn't read the article. She was a TIGER.

You've been throwing around insults that I haven't read the article, when the proof is plain now that I'm the only one of the two of us that actually has. The quote says lion. Her story is she saw them at the lion enclosure, before they were later mauled at the tiger cage.

170 posted on 01/03/2008 8:10:26 AM PST by SpringheelJack
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To: Eepsy
This was a mistake of judgment for sure. The other mistake was the judgment of these boys in abusing a wild animal; they thought, was a helpless target. Do not think the zoo is trying to divert attention here; just trying to get some perspective on the how/what and as importantly, 'why' this happened.

And with shark lawyer Mark Garragos(sp) out there, ratcheting up the survivors 'defense'; probably feels a bit compelled to do same.

Notice that these boys are not stepping up to plate to explain what happened either. Avoiding 'self-incrimination. . .as is their Right, of course.

171 posted on 01/03/2008 8:10:47 AM PST by cricket (Hucka-not)
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To: highball
I don't think so - tigers love the water. An unfilled moat might be more effective in deterring a tiger.

A filled moat makes it more difficult to jump. To experiment, get in a swimming pool and see how far you can leap relative to what you could do on solid ground.

172 posted on 01/03/2008 8:13:58 AM PST by SpringheelJack
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To: SpringheelJack

My apologies. You are correct re: lion v. tiger. So these thugs are serial animal abusers.


173 posted on 01/03/2008 8:14:26 AM PST by MizSterious (Deport all the illegals to sanctuary cities.)
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To: heartwood
I read that slingshots were found in their car, so they couldn’t have been slinging rocks at the tiger with those.

Unless you/we. ..know how many sling shots were found in car; or how many these boys had to begin with; we cannot know - nor can we assume a sling-shot was not used.

174 posted on 01/03/2008 8:14:42 AM PST by cricket (Hucka-not)
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To: swain_forkbeard

Do not taunt happy fun tiger.


175 posted on 01/03/2008 8:16:06 AM PST by SlowBoat407 (Just how will wrecking the U.S. economy save the planet?)
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To: arbooz

You have just confirmed the point you’re arguing against. Animals attack when they’re provoked. Since you have no idea what in your behavior may provoke them, it’s better to stay away from them. In this case, the slimebags apparently were doing anything but that to make the tiger angry enough.


Can I ask a dumb question? Since this cat mauled another zooworker around the same time last year, could she have been in heat and more easily agitated?


176 posted on 01/03/2008 8:16:52 AM PST by Dasaji (The U.S.A. is the Land of Opportunity and you've got 50 states to do it in!)
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To: SpringheelJack

Note: No accusation is implied here. Photo is purely for demonstration purposes.

177 posted on 01/03/2008 8:17:45 AM PST by SlowBoat407 (Just how will wrecking the U.S. economy save the planet?)
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To: poinq
>>This tiger is not a homing tiger that mauls anyone the taunts him and leaves the rest alone.<<

My thought is the tiger probably kept a log book of those that had taunted her and just waited for them to show up in front of her enclosure. She probably spent hours at night testing the "jump" she would have to make to get her revenge.(sarc)

I agreed that attributing human thought processes to wild animals, or even to a family dog, is foolish at best.

178 posted on 01/03/2008 8:19:13 AM PST by Muleteam1
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To: MizSterious
end all this bickering on FR

You're delusional. The primary reason for posting on FR is to bicker.

179 posted on 01/03/2008 8:23:52 AM PST by ASA Vet (Does Hillary share Huma with Bill?)
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To: UCANSEE2
But.....that does not lessen the responsibility of the patrons of the zoo.

If these young men did what is suggested, they violated the rules.


You just stated that the zoo didn’t violate anything. In over 60 YEARS there have been no problems ... and then these little criminals, er “victims” come along and taunt the animal and it’s the zoo’s fault? I don’t think so ... . Too bad the tiger didn’t get them all.

180 posted on 01/03/2008 8:26:27 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) .)
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