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1 posted on 01/01/2008 6:26:04 AM PST by barryg
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The discoveries could be an indication that the brothers may have taunted the 350-pound Siberian tiger before it leapt from its grotto.

Plus all had previous contacts with the police. Plus they drove 50 miles on Christmas to visit the zoo. Did they get what they deserved?

2 posted on 01/01/2008 6:28:29 AM PST by Former Proud Canadian (How do I change my screen name after Harper's election?)
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If they provoked that poor animal, they deserve everything they got.


3 posted on 01/01/2008 6:28:46 AM PST by Clintons Are White Trash (Lynn Stewart, Helen Thomas , Rosie ODonnell, Maureen Dowd - The Axis of Ugly)
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How to make $5 Million easy. Go to zoo. Get drunk, attack wild animals with a slingshot. Sue Zoo for $$$ when the tormented animal tries to escape.


4 posted on 01/01/2008 6:28:55 AM PST by barryg
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Don’t take a slingshot to a tiger fight. This event is a disaster all the way around. 2 mauled guys, a death, the destruction of a rare tiger, and financial mess for the zoo and city. Lots of heads will role on this one.


6 posted on 01/01/2008 6:32:39 AM PST by mefistofelerevised
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NY Post material must be excerpted in all circumstances. Please make a note of it.


9 posted on 01/01/2008 6:33:16 AM PST by Admin Moderator
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the brothers may have taunted the 350-pound Siberian tiger

And the tiger rightly removed them from the gene pool. Taunting a tiger is a special kind of stupid.

12 posted on 01/01/2008 6:33:52 AM PST by nonliberal (Graduate: Curtis E. LeMay School of International Relations)
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Hold muh Vodka....


15 posted on 01/01/2008 6:35:38 AM PST by Born Conservative (Chronic Positivity - http://jsher.livejournal.com/)
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The police shot the wrong animal.


16 posted on 01/01/2008 6:35:48 AM PST by SAMS ("I may look harmless, but I raised a U.S. MARINE!" Army Wife & Marine Mom)
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“Amritpal Dhaliwal, 19, and his brother, Kulbir, 23’

Sikhs, and from a very much honored clan of warriors in India. Not good at all!


18 posted on 01/01/2008 6:36:57 AM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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SLINGSHOTS


19 posted on 01/01/2008 6:37:18 AM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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Saturday, December 29, 2007

Happy New Year, San Francisco Zoo

When I was a little girl, a friendly keeper at the San Francisco Zoo invited me into a cage and let me hold a koala bear. It was a thrilling moment. And one not likely to be repeated in today's climate of institutional fear over "deep-pocket" lawsuits.

Because the topic of my doctoral research and subsequent publications was public exhibitions of masculinity among young male humans, my antenna went up on Christmas when I heard about the tiger attack at the S.F. Zoo.

What caught my interest was the initial news report that the tiger attacked three young men who had been lingering by the tiger's cage after the zoo had closed - possibly ignoring other potential victims.

Another detail increased my professional interest. The two surviving victims, brothers age 23 and 19, were hostile and uncooperative with police. Think about it: If you were stalked and mauled by a rampaging tiger, why would you try to mislead and obstruct investigators?

A third revelation of note was that these brothers, Kulbir and Amritpal Dhaliwal, were awaiting trial for a recent display of alleged drunken aggression. In that Oct. 9 incident, police caught the brothers chasing two men; after their arrest they allegedly cursed police and kicked the police car's security partition. They are scheduled to appear in court in a couple of weeks on misdemeanor charges of public intoxication and resisting arrest.

Interestingly, it was the older of these belligerent brothers that Tatiana the tiger first attacked; the unfortunate Carlos Sousa Jr. was apparently killed when he intervened to save his friend.

While speculation persists about the victims' potential contribution to the attack, the media are focusing more on the height of the wall outside of the tiger grotto's moat. Is it built to the height of the recommended standards of the 21st century? Of course not. It is 67 years old. And in all those years, not one tiger has escaped. Indeed, experts say that around the world thousands of tigers are kept in enclosures of roughly the same height, and they don't escape.

As one wildlife expert commented, the ultimate explanation for Tatiana's attack is not the height of the wall, but the "stimulus" she was reacting to. "Tigers around the world are perfectly safe behind 10-foot or 12-foot walls," said Martine Colette, founder of a wildlife refuge in Southern California. "There had to have been a tremendous stimulus that made the tiger react the way she did."

If indeed the tiger was provoked, as some suspect, this would conform with a typical display of masculine aggression. These displays - which often take the form of sexual aggression or antigay harassment - serve the functions of proving masculinity, social bonding, and the celebration of male power. In these forms of participatory theater, the targets - whether they be women, gay men, or even, as in this case, a tiger - serve as interchangeable dramatic props. (See my article on this topic.)

While no avenue of investigation should be ignored, I hope the media and investigators will focus as much attention on the likely provocation as in Monday morning quarterbacking of the zoo's response. As a struggling public institution whose aim is to educate the public about wildlife conservation and endangered species, the S.F. Zoo can ill afford a deep-pocket verdict based on misplaced castigation.

20 posted on 01/01/2008 6:37:47 AM PST by digger48
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Now we know why they wouldn’t cooperate with police. They should be held accountable.


21 posted on 01/01/2008 6:38:01 AM PST by sarasota
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I can be a cold hearted bastard sometimes, and this is one of them. I feel bad for the family of the dead boy, but not the boys in question. They got what they deserved from being fools.
27 posted on 01/01/2008 6:42:40 AM PST by Jackknife ( "The Bureau of Alcohol,Tobacco, and Firearms should be a department store, not a gov't agency.")
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Are they going to pull the “diversity” card out and flash it in our faces?


30 posted on 01/01/2008 6:44:24 AM PST by junta (It's Poltical Correctness stupid! Hold liberals accountable for their actions, a new idea.)
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JIHADI regulars set out to cause some terror maybe...


34 posted on 01/01/2008 6:46:43 AM PST by Tigen (Live in peace or rest in peace!)
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Last words watch this.


41 posted on 01/01/2008 6:49:52 AM PST by Vaduz (and just think how clean the cities would become again.)
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More like a Shakespearian “all are punish-ed” outcome. Yes, it appears the victims were “asking for it” but the zoo is equally negligent in ignoring the shortcomings of the enclosure.
49 posted on 01/01/2008 6:53:41 AM PST by NonValueAdded (Fred Dalton Thompson for President)
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Steve Doocy brought up a great point....WHY would TEEN AGE BOYS go to a ZOO....and on Christmas Eve, no less??? Zoos are usually families with small children, not teen age boys.

NOW it makes sense that they were TAUNTING...not with words but THINGS!

51 posted on 01/01/2008 6:53:51 AM PST by Ann Archy (Abortion: The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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I believe in Yellowstone some years ago a black bear took a New Jersey tourist out of the gene pool. The bear was saved though since plenty of eyewitnesses had the deceased idiot provoking the bear so he could get a better picture. Both sides will want to settle out of court.


56 posted on 01/01/2008 6:57:52 AM PST by junta (It's Poltical Correctness stupid! Hold liberals accountable for their actions, a new idea.)
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I remember a similar story about the Prospect Park Zoo in Brooklyn (iirc) about twenty years ago.

Seems some yutes gained access to the zoo at night by scaling a fence. They got in the habit of taunting a tiger and eventually climbed a tree and went out on a limb overhanging the tiger’s cage. The tiger crouched defensively, never showing any aggression ... until, emboldend by the tigers passivity one of them went out too far on the limb and came within the tiger’s reach. Perhaps a man’s reach should exceed his grasp, but in this case the tiger’s did not.

With one mighty bound the tiger grabbed the yute in front of his horrified friends and pulled him into his cage. Needless to say this story had a happy ending. The decision was made not to destroy the tiger and he lived out his years with the happy memories of one who laughs last.


57 posted on 01/01/2008 6:59:44 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (Being an idealist excuses nothing. Hitler was an idealist.)
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