Posted on 01/01/2008 6:26:03 AM PST by barryg
Edited on 01/01/2008 6:31:30 AM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]
An empty vodka bottle was also found in a car used by Amritpal Dhaliwal, 19, and his brother, Kulbir, 23, on the day of the mauling, which left 17-year-old Carlos Sousa Jr. dead, according to the source.
The discoveries could be an indication that the brothers may have taunted the 350-pound Siberian tiger before it leapt from its grotto.
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Never mind. You keep inserting new criteria which doesn’t fit my original point.
I tried to describe your normal family pet -— which also serves as a watch dog. I dare say all of us would soon be rid of an animal that showed aggresion toward neighborhood children. And, in my example, the perps were grown-—not children-—and they were torturing the animal.
I wonder how many of us could predict what our dog would do in the circumstances I described——especially if he thought he was protecting his “family”.
First of all, there's thousands of years of selective breeding behind him where we've chosen shorter muzzles with smaller teeth (so when they bite us even by accident we don't get seriously hurt).
My "changing conditions" actually relate to the tiger ~ if you had one you'd be much more careful around it than your dog.
she stuck her arm in the cage while she was feeding the tiger. The tiger did what a tiger does.
They have since altered the cage and now the food can be dropped into it.
And now they are adding reinforcements to the tiger enclousre to keep the tigers in.
Why do they wait until they have accidents before they do the safe thing?
If your child had gotten into the Draino under the sink a couple of times, would we wait until she actually drank it before we put it out of her reach?
I keep seeing people talk about provocation. But I haven’t seen any evidence that it occurred. And even if it were true, the boys would only be guilty of being idiots. I don’t care if they were making faces at the tigers, calling them names or flashing gang signs at them the tiger should not have been able to get out. Period. The zoo is at fault & placed every single visitor in danger by their negligence.
Exactly!
Sadly you are probably right, the zoo will pay a price but I can at least take comfort in believing that the families will donate that money back to the zoo so they can invest in making the zoo safe for future animal lovers to visit.
How many "situation trained" personal were on hand? Any with authority to shoot to kill? Bet not!!
Tatiana was a breeder, a GOLDEN GOOSE. It's all about money!!
I hope zoos go by the wayside someday.....soon!!
Interesting. My guess would have been that engineers were indeed likely to be analytical, but also that most are conservative, and therefore feared by criminal defense lawyers and tort profiteers like J. Edwards.
if they attacked the Tiger they should have to pay to replace it and modify the enclosure, idiots are Zoo’s worst enemy.
BTW who says stupidity isn’t a crime?
Reports said the PA system had been disconnected years ago after complaints from neighbors.
And nobody could quickly find anyone with a tranquilizer gun or even knew who to call.
And yes, it was about the money.
Zookeepers held the police outside the gates for six minutes while they tried to tranquilize the tiger because they did not want the police to kill it.
The civil trial will be interesting.
If it gets that far, they boys will be required to give sworn testimony. They will not be able to sue for damages and claim the 5th Amendment.
When I first heard they were probably "taunting" the animal, I thought their actions were stupid. After reading about the sling shots, I now think their actions were criminal.
First, we are not talking about the little toys we had in grade school that could shoot a spit wad a few feet. These things are real weapons. They can wound or even kill.
The tiger should not have been able to get out, but these guys would not have been harmed if they had not been PHYSICALLY attacking the animal. They were hurting it. They may have even been trying to kill it. We don't know because the young men involved have NOT cooperated with the police, which tells you a lot about the circumstances, too.
While I'm sorry one is dead and 2 are injured, I believe this is a case of consequences suffered by one's actions. They would not have been harmed if they had not physically assaulted that tiger which literally drove him up that wall. In terms of liability, the zoo should be assigned 50% and the animal torturers should be assigned 50% and it should be a wash.
Read my post at #159. This cat has had a “temper” history since she was born.
You are right. I think every point here is basically right. But the zoo is ultimately responsible, though. They shouldn’t have allowed the guys to do what they did and antagonize the lion. Better supervision, security, etc. They should have been escorted out immediately, but no one in authority was around to put a stop to it. Or even close by with tranquilizer guns to put an immediate stop to the tiger. And then there is the obvious point that the enclosures weren’t safe enough for a ‘what if’ scenario that ended up happening.
only one is eligible for a Darwin award, the survivors are ineligible, but stupid.
uh-oh.. the tiger attack victims have now been accused of the highest crime known in San Francisco: homophobia!
I think accusing them of being drunk and using slingshots to attack a tiger at the zoo’s closing time, thereby provoking an escape and deadly attack is sufficient to sour any attempts their lawyers will make for public sympathy. Equating this nasty behavior with making gay men feel bad is over the top, uhh .. under the bottom... uhh... whatever...
You expect stupidity from young boys. But you don't expect stupidity from zoo officials whose job it is to protect the public and protect the animals.
They knew since the 60s that tigers were in danger of escaping that enclosure. But they did nothing.
There is now talk of criminal charges against the zoo or zoo officials.
For all we know, the cat had made an earlier attempt and had hurt herself and the boys had nothing to do with her ultimate escape.
The facts remain..She escaped, killed a young man, mauled two others and has a history of being "quick tempered".
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